Talk:2021 Tennessee floods

2021 Tennessee floods has been listed as one of the Natural sciences good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
Review: April 5, 2022. (Reviewed version).

A fact from 2021 Tennessee floods appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 18 May 2022 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the August 2021 Tennessee floods were caused by more than 20 inches (510 mm) of rain falling in a 24-hour period?

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On 5 September 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved to August 2021 Tennessee floods. The result of the discussion was not moved.

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GA Review

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Reviewer: Steelkamp (talk · contribs) 06:29, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. I will be reviewing this article. Review should be complete in the next few hours. Steelkamp (talk) 06:29, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Good article criteria

Criteria 1

Well written

CDT should be linked to Central Daylight Time. Steelkamp (talk) 08:27, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Done United States Man (talk) 12:10, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
In a catastrophic situation – This doesn't seem to be encyclopedic. It is also redundant, considering the previous sentence mentions "very heavy rainfall" and "flash flooding". Steelkamp (talk) 08:27, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Done United States Man (talk) 12:10, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
How about including the number of homes destroyed in the lead. Steelkamp (talk) 08:27, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Done United States Man (talk) 19:50, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
What is the "five-county area"? Steelkamp (talk) 08:27, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Defined in the next section. United States Man (talk) 12:10, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
During the early morning – I think it would be better to write During the early hours, as for some people, the morning starts at sunrise rather than at midnight. It would be less ambiguous this way. Steelkamp (talk) 08:27, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- It was early morning where it happened. United States Man (talk) 12:10, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  - Early morning is ambiguous. Write a range of hours. Steelkamp (talk) 14:14, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    - Done United States Man (talk) 16:36, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Numerous people became trapped, leading to widespread water rescues and several deaths. – This is too vague. The lead needs to have specific numbers of injuries and deaths. Steelkamp (talk) 08:27, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Done Specific injury counts are unavailable. United States Man (talk) 12:10, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
area streams and creeks – What does this mean? It doesn't seem grammatically correct to me. Steelkamp (talk) 08:27, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Literally means creeks and streams in the area. It is grammatically correct. United States Man (talk) 12:10, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
a ranch foreman was swept away and found a short time later. – It should be explicitly stated that he died. Steelkamp (talk) 09:10, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Done United States Man (talk) 12:10, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Criteria 2

Verifiable with no original research

A level three state of emergency was declared by the Tennessee Emergency Management Agency (TEMA) for Dickson, Hickman, Houston, and Humphreys counties in response to the flooding event. – The source just says state of emergency. Does not say it was level three, and does not specify which counties. Steelkamp (talk) 08:27, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Done United States Man (talk) 02:00, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Roads into Waverly became impassable, with crews trying to perform rescue operations unable to reach some areas. Cell phone service in the area was disrupted as well, complicating initial response and recovery efforts. – The reference after this sentence doesn't seem to apply to the preceding paragraph. Steelkamp (talk) 09:10, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Done United States Man (talk) 19:50, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
~~Some sources say that there were 21 or 22 deaths. Steelkamp (talk) 09:10, 6 March 2022 (UTC)~~ Nevermind, I read that part of the article. Steelkamp (talk) 09:30, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
East of the ranch, after flooding from Hurricane Creek and Tumbling Creek, Tennessee State Route 230 remained closed for several days as officials cleared debris and assessed damage to the roadway. – Source makes no mention of State Route 230. Steelkamp (talk) 09:10, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Done United States Man (talk) 02:00, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Criteria 3

Broad in its coverage

Do any sources link the floods with climate change? Steelkamp (talk) 08:27, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Opinion pieces and such. Don't see the relevance. United States Man (talk) 19:50, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Do any sources say whether the floods are one in 100 years, one in 500 years, etc? Steelkamp (talk) 08:27, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Haven't seen anything. United States Man (talk) 19:50, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
NOAA report calls the floods "one of the worst natural disasters in the history of the state". This could be added to the lead and body, Steelkamp (talk) 08:27, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Done United States Man (talk) 19:50, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
How about you include the property damage in the body of the article as well. Steelkamp (talk) 08:27, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Done United States Man (talk) 12:43, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
and use of Nissan Stadium to the Waverly football team for homes games during the season. – Did this offer eventuate? Steelkamp (talk) 09:30, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes? United States Man (talk) 12:43, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
There is no mention of Kentucky other than in the lead and infobox. Steelkamp (talk) 14:14, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Done United States Man (talk) 19:14, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Criteria 4

Neutral

Criteria 5

Stable

No edit wars or content disputes. Criteria 5 is passed. Steelkamp (talk) 08:27, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Criteria 6

Illustrated, if possible

Images are all good on copyright, caption and relevancy. Steelkamp (talk) 08:27, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
A search on Google and Wikimedia Commons reveals no more creative commons images of the floods. Steelkamp (talk) 08:27, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Criteria 6 is passed. Steelkamp (talk) 08:27, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
This is not on the GA criteria, but ideally, the images would have alt text. Steelkamp (talk) 08:27, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Done United States Man (talk) 12:37, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

General comments

@United States Man: When are you going to address the remaining points? Steelkamp (talk) 05:28, 24 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Right, that's good enough to pass now. Steelkamp (talk) 03:51, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 23:02, 10 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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~~... that the 2021 Tennessee floods on August 21 were caused by up to 20.73 inches (527 mm) of rain in less than 12 hours, breaking Tennessee's 24-hour precipitation record?~~ Source: news article Quote: "The devastating rainfall that hit Middle Tennessee on August 21 has officially set the state's record for total precipitation within a 24-hour period. ... confirmed that 20.73 inches of rainfall fell in McEwen at the Tennessee Wastewater Treatment Plant, breaking the state's 24-hour precipitation record."
Reviewed: No QPQ required
Created by United States Man (talk). Self-nominated at 04:33, 5 April 2022 (UTC).[reply]
GA Status confirmed. Long enough. Excluding the mirror site, it passes earwig. The hook is clunky and should be reworded. --evrik ^(talk) 00:46, 8 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- @Evrik: Perhaps a better hook, eliminating the last part:

Alt1 ... that the 2021 Tennessee floods on August 21 were caused by over 20 inches (510 mm) of rain in less than 12 hours? Source: news article Quote: "The devastating rainfall that hit Middle Tennessee on August 21 has officially set the state's record for total precipitation within a 24-hour period. ... confirmed that 20.73 inches of rainfall fell in McEwen at the Tennessee Wastewater Treatment Plant, breaking the state's 24-hour precipitation record." — Preceding unsigned comment added by United States Man (talk • contribs) 23:42, May 7, 2022 (UTC)

- @United States Man: How about:

Alt1a ... that the Tennessee floods on August 21, 2021, were caused by over 20 inches (510 mm) of rain in less than 12 hours?

--evrik ^(talk) 04:05, 8 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

~~Perfect! United States Man (talk) 12:05, 8 May 2022 (UTC)~~[reply]

~~Note to promoter: Final hook was proposed by the reviewer.~~ --evrik ^(talk) 18:01, 8 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

What specifically is wrong about Alt1, which I proposed. You just rearranged the date and it sounds like you are taking credit for it? United States Man (talk) 00:54, 9 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Credit? Hardly. Since you seem to have a problem with Alt1a, I will move this back to pending status. I didn't like the way the dates were formatted in the hooks that you provided, it sounded clumsy to me. I'm going to ask that someone else look at the hooks. --evrik ^(talk) 17:03, 9 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Alt2 ... that the August 2021 Tennessee floods were caused by over 20 inches (510 mm) of rain in less than 12 hours?

United States Man (talk) 23:51, 9 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Approve Alt2. --evrik ^(talk) 03:28, 10 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 5 September 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. By consensus. (closed by non-admin page mover) – robertsky (talk) 00:38, 20 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

2021 Tennessee floods → August 2021 Tennessee floods – Floods also hit Tennessee in March 2021, see Tornado outbreak sequence of March 24-28, 2021 69.118.232.58 (talk) 22:35, 5 September 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 00:28, 13 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose – Multiple floods hit Tennessee every year. This was the most impactful flooding event in recent memory, much more notable than March. The title should stand. United States Man (talk) 23:26, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - What other floods hit Tennessee in 2021 that had an impact such as these? Referring to the article is the 2021 Tennessee floods is appropriate. nf utvol (talk) 02:51, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Floods struck Nashville, Tennessee in March, that caused $28 million and killed 7. That’s not quite as much as this, but it does show that the month would be useful. 47.23.40.14 (talk) 22:55, 10 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose – the August floods are the only notable 2021 floods. cookie monster 755 06:57, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.