Talk:2020 Salvadoran political crisis/GA1

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Reviewer: JBchrch (talk · contribs) 21:21, 25 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Happy to take up this review. I will start shortly to read the article and will post comments and suggestions below as I go along. JBchrch talk 21:21, 25 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! I won't be available to respond to this until 5 July 2021 at earliest for certain, however, but I will try to respond here if I can until then. Pizzaking13 (Hablame) 21:26, 25 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No worries, thank you very much for the info. I will start the review regardless and you can address my comments whenever you get the time. JBchrch talk 21:30, 25 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, thanks. Pizzaking13 (Hablame) 21:32, 25 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lead. Do refs 1 and 2 confirm the use of the acronym 9-F? I did not find that. JBchrch talk 09:43, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Source 1: The title itself "El impacto del 9F en la cultura democrática de El Salvador" and it refers to the incident as 9F throughout

Source 2: "San Salvador — The media in El Salvador quickly dubbed it “9F.”"

Sorry, to be more specific, I meant the 9-F acronym, with the dash in the middle. --JBchrch talk 18:08, 6 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I got rid of the 9–F one. I swore I saw it being used, but I can't find it in that style anymore, so I'll keep it at 9F.

Lead. I think § Aftermath and domestic reactions should be summarized in the lead as well. JBchrch talk 09:45, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Added a summary.

Lead. I think we can do better than this first sentence, which is a bit long and complicated for my taste. We could model it on other articles about political crisis, such as 2021 United States Capitol attack (On Wednesday, January 6, 2021, the United States Capitol in Washington, D.C., was stormed during a riot and violent attack against the U.S. Congress), Saturday Night Massacre (The Saturday Night Massacre was a series of events that took place in the United States on the evening of Saturday, October 20, 1973, during the Watergate scandal) or Night of the Long Knives (a FA) (The Night of the Long Knives ... was a purge that took place in Nazi Germany from June 30 to July 2, 1934.) In other words, something very short and punchy that merely introduces what happened. JBchrch talk 09:59, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Split into two sentences and made simpler.

Lead. Could you please point out to me where ref 3 says that it was a coup attempt? JBchrch talk 10:05, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'll get back to this.

I think I must have put the wrong reference in for the lead self-coup claim. I put in a reference that does state it saw a coup attempt.

Background § 1. I think we lack dates indication here. It would be useful if there was an indication of when these events took place.

Added dates.

General. The link to the AlJazeera article "Constitutional crisis in El Salvador over Bukele's security plan" does not work anymore. JBchrch talk 10:07, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It was thankfully archived on the Wayback Machine. I added the link in the citation.

General. I don't think Dolzall, Tom (11 February 2020). "Assembly Standoff Leads to Crisis in El Salvador". Defense & Security Monitor. is a reliable source, per WP:BLOGS. If you agree to remove it, it could be useful to add a second source, since the other source is a think thank and—while I accept it as reliable—think thanks are somewhat controversial at WP:RSN. JBchrch talk 10:22, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'll get back to this.

I removed the source since it is from wordpress. It's removal doesn't affect much since what it was citing already had additional sources.

Background § 1. It would be useful to have an indication of where all these political parties stand politically, such as left, right, nationalist etc.

Added.

Could you please also specify where GANA and NI stand politically? JBchrch talk 18:08, 6 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Added.

Crisis § 1. Could you expand on what article 167 of the Salvadorian Constitution provides?

Added a brief summary

That's a useful ref that you've added, but I was more wondering why he invoked article 167,

Added that it was to convene a vote on the loan specifically.

General. Here's an article that could be useful for sourcing purposes: https://elpais.com/internacional/2020/02/10/america/1581294344_999638.html

I'll get back to this.

Aftermath and domestic reactions § 1. Regarding Small demonstrations protesting Bukele's: when I click on demonstrations protesting, it leads me to 2020 Salvadoran protests, which states in the first sentence that the demonstrations were massive. Which one is it?

The protests were small, the other article is incorrect. I fixed that.

Aftermath and domestic reactions § 3. It would be useful spelling out what is generally meant by self-coup (per WP:GACR #1).

Added

General. I don't think that Vivanco, José Miguel (14 February 2020). "President Bukele, Brute Force Is Not the Way Forward for El Salvador". Human Rights Watch. Retrieved 29 March 2021. and "Political Crisis in El Salvador Should be Solved Through Dialogue, Not Through Power Plays and Military Deployments". WOLA. 10 February 2020. Retrieved 9 February 2021. are strictly reliable for factual assertions, and are subject to WP:RSOPINION. I do note, however, that both sources contain hyperlinks to reliable news article, for which they could be substituted. JBchrch talk 14:22, 3 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'll get back to this.

I read over the sources. For HRW, only the last paragraph is an opinion, while the rest is a factual account of what occurred. WOLA's is mostly opinion, and since it is only cited once, I moved it to further reading.

General. Exact same comment regarding Bristol, Mia (28 February 2020). "El Salvador's Attempted Coup". Panoramas. University of Pittsburgh. Retrieved 9 February 2021. JBchrch talk 17:05, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'll get back to this.

Like WOLA, I moved it to further reading. I replaced its sources with Bukele's actual tweet and the Constitution source I used for 167. Apologies for the delay. I caught a cold recently and kinda forgot about this. I should be caught up though. Pizzaking13 (Hablame) 01:55, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I just got back from El Salvador so I'm kinda washed up right now. I'll get back to this ASAP. Pizzaking13 (Hablame) 17:57, 6 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No worries Pizzaking13, I am in no rush. Hope you enjoyed your trip 👍. JBchrch talk 17:58, 6 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Pizzaking13: Would you have any ETA on responding to the rest of the review? JBchrch talk 12:44, 12 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Pizzaking13: Sorry for my own delay. I will most probably close this nomination as successful by tomorrow. Thanks for you for your understanding. JBchrch talk 16:58, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry again for the delay Pizzaking13, we both got a bit distracted in the course of this review! In any case, I can establish that this article is well written, verifiable, with no original research, broad in its coverage, neutral, stable, and illustrated by properly tagged and captioned pictures. It's a GA. Congratulations and thanks for contribution to Wikipedia! JBchrch talk 22:10, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

JBchrch that's fine, and thank you for reviewing this article! Pizzaking13 (Hablame) 23:34, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]