Talk:2020 MTV Video Music Awards

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Boleyn (talk) 13:56, 8 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Listen I'm not trying to fight you...

@Andresg770: you literally said in one of your own edits MTV themselves keep making mistakes in what they publish because they include wrong info and then update it, so how does that make them more reliable than a secondary source reporting their updates? I'm aware of what WP:Primary says, and sure that's the easy way out, but couldn't you just find a secondary source that contains the most recent updated information and use that? If none exist then fine. You're acting like a Google search is such a hardship. And fyi, if the article followed your reasoning then the majority of it would still be sourced mainly with MTV articles and the primary sources template would still be tagged on the page. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 20:55, 25 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Carlobunnie:No, no, that's not what I said. What I said was that a constant pattern over the years is that MTV initially makes mistakes with their nomination announcements (especially with the technical award recipients), and then corrects them over the days prior to the ceremony (corrections that I typically verify on pages like Videostatic and the professionals' own websites, mostly out of curiosity). THAT is what makes MTV's own sources more reliable than a secondary source that simply copy-pasted MTV's press release from July 30th and hasn't bothered to update it since.

Also, it's not that I think a Google search is "such a hardship;" it's just that over the years I've been editing these VMA articles, I've never really found a secondary source outlet that cares enough about VMA nominations to update them like that. And I'm not going to look for one because I personally don't believe it's necessary, especially since many major award-show articles (e.g., 92nd Academy Awards, 62nd Annual Grammy Awards) cite primary sources from the academies themselves as their main sources for nominee information (as allowed by WP:PRIMARY). But again, if you find a secondary source that actually updates this info, you're welcome to add it instead; I have no problem with it staying.--Andresg770 (talk) 21:24, 25 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

MDY Dates

Hello,

There is a template at the top of this page that says {{use mdy dates|date=August 2020}}. When I look at the references section, it seems to all be YMD dates, even though when I look at the code for the references it has the dates and accessdates in MDY. This seems to have changed within the past day or two, as I had fixed the references two days prior to me writing this. Could someone explain what happened, why there are YMD dates now, and how to change this because it clearly says to use MDY dates at the top? Thanks so much! Doggy54321 (talk) 01:59, 27 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]