Talk:2020 Conservative Party of Canada leadership election/Archive 2

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There is an ongoing issue developing with editor Coolaid1965. This individual is copy-and-pasting direct quotes from candidates' websites and putting them in the platform section. This is obviously in violation of various Wikipedia rules regarding matters such as plagiarism, neutral language etc. Additionally these statements do not offer much useful information about the candidates' platforms as they are just broad statements and slogans. I've been fixing these edits several times each week and adding edit summaries to explain why. However this has not solved the problem. How should we fix this ongoing problem? (This is the same individual who has repeatedly been uploading images that violate copyright laws.) Humberland (talk) 20:53, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

The normal procedure is to leave him at least a couple of warnings on his talk page and attempt to discuss the matter and then if not successful, enlist the help of an admin, or take it to Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations or WP:ANI. - Ahunt (talk) 21:05, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Related: I think the ballooning size of the section is an issue, too, particularly since so much of it is sourced directly to the candidate's site. It's not really necessary (nor our place) to be a mirror for the campaign by listing each and every thing someone has proposed; I feel like we should restrict it to a few choice policies (the broader the better), or restrict it to anything that's been reported by media outlets. — Kawnhr (talk) 04:46, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

I was looking to add in platform positions from Erin O'Toole, it doesn't look like the other candidates have released platforms, all I could see was policies on their website. I have a lot of suggested changes since the candidate's platform was quite large. The edits won't look like the original one I had posted, I am new to this and still learning. Cheers! - CanadianCon2020 (talk) 21:43, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Also it makes sense to add in the extra sections since I am assuming the other candidates will also release information on those same topics - CanadianCon2020 (talk) 21:46, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

I recommend we work to pare it down and put it into neutral language. Part of the problem is language like "Ending the Discriminatory Blood Ban" is not neutral (or clear) but saying "Allowing homosexuals (or gay men) to donate blood" is. Similar rewording could be done to many of the other bullets. If it was, then I expect it will be easier to get achieve a consensus to include them. Some might not be able to be reworded as a clear specific policy, if not they should not be included. That might help pare it down a bit.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 21:48, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

I couldn't agree more, my issue was whether or not homosexual could be seen as derogatory or offensive, granted I should've put it in here first but I learned that lesson. I think whats best is that I put the previous suggested edits in the talk page then we can parse it down as a group. CanadianCon2020 (talk) 21:52, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Im not sure how the voting thing works but I have edited the platform points down and am open to editing any others. Let me know how to proceed. Thanks.

- CanadianCon2020 (talk) 00:28, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

No problem, just leave it for a day or two and other editors will chime in, comment and help out. - Ahunt (talk) 01:04, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

Proposed Table

2020 Conservative Party of Canada leadership election - Verified Candidates Issue Leslyn Lewis Peter MacKay Erin O'Toole Derek Sloan Abortion Allow MPs to introduce legislation restricting abortion Prohibit sex-selective abortion Allow MPs to introduce legislation restricting abortion Would vote against legislation to restrict abortion Will require all cabinet members to vote against any legislation to restrict abortion Allow MPs to introduce legislation restricting abortion Would vote against legislation to restrict abortion Allow MPs to introduce legislation restricting abortion Prohibit sex-selective abortion Prohibit mid-birth abortions Require abortion facilities to show pregnant women an ultrasound of their pregnancy before conducting an abortion Agriculture Enhance the young farmer program offered by Farm Credit Canada program with more low-interest loans Ensuring farm safety net programs are predictable, bankable and manageable Launch a national Alternative Land Use System to give farmers financial aid for environmental stewardship Implement a food security strategy by working with USMCA partners and investing in Canadian greenhouse production Business Expand the Emergency Business Account program to small and medium-sized businesses Provide interim and exit financing through BDC to permit insolvent businesses to reorganize Establish a New Hire Incentive, providing a reduced EI premium for all SMEs for any increase of $50,000 in insurable earnings over the previous tax year to promote hiring Childcare/Families Begin the Canada Child Benefit during the seventh month of pregnancy Double the Child Care Expense deduction Convert Child Care expense deduction into a refundable tax credit Repeat Canada Child Benefit Boost Give two weeks of paid parental leave to women experiencing miscarriage or stillbirth Deficit Gradually eliminate the deficit and balance the budget Gradually eliminate the deficit and balance the budget Gradually eliminate the deficit and balance the budget Gradually eliminate the deficit and balance the budget Economy Yearly Red Tape Reduction Act Pay-as-you-go rule One-Time Small Business Investment (50K through a RRSP Withdrawal) Energy Repeal Bill C-69 ("The modernization of the National Energy Board and Canadian Environmental Assessment Agency") to promote pipeline construction Repeal Bill C-48 ("An Act respecting the regulation of vessels that transport crude oil or persistent oil") to promote pipeline construction Repeal Bill C-69 ("The modernization of the National Energy Board and Canadian Environmental Assessment Agency") to promote pipeline construction Repeal Bill C-48 ("An Act respecting the regulation of vessels that transport crude oil or persistent oil") to promote pipeline construction Repeal Bill C-69 ("The modernization of the National Energy Board and Canadian Environmental Assessment Agency") to promote pipeline construction Repeal Bill C-48 ("An Act respecting the regulation of vessels that transport crude oil or persistent oil") to promote pipeline construction Fund research and development of small modular reactors Implement a strategy to export liquified natural gas (LNG) Repeal Bill C-69 ("The modernization of the National Energy Board and Canadian Environmental Assessment Agency") to promote pipeline construction Repeal Bill C-48 ("An Act respecting the regulation of vessels that transport crude oil or persistent oil") to promote pipeline construction Environment Approve more LNG projects to reduce reliance on coal Provide public funding and a tax credit to clean up “orphan” oil and gas wells Increase tree planting Create a tax credit for property retrofitting that reduces emissions Approve more LNG projects to reduce reliance on coal Approve more LNG projects to reduce reliance on coal Fund carbon sequestration, carbon capture and carbon storage End the dumping of raw sewage into rivers Incentivize development of clean water technologies for smaller and remote communities Make industry pay for Greenhouse Gas emissions rather than taxing ordinary Canadians Work towards an industry-backed plan to reach net-zero emissions Help fund volunteer-led projects designed to restore wildlife habitats, enhance wetlands and preserve biodiversity Firearms Repeal the May 2020 federal firearm ban (SOR/2020-96) Completely review the Firearms Act to reduce bureaucracy Repeal the May 2020 federal firearm ban (SOR/2020-96) Repeal Bill C-71 ("An Act to amend certain Acts and Regulations in relation to firearms")(2019) Repeal the May 2020 federal firearm ban (SOR/2020-96) Repeal Bill C-71 ("An Act to amend certain Acts and Regulations in relation to firearms")(2019) Legislate a simplified classification system for firearms Allow the discharge of restricted firearms on one's property, in accordance with the rules currently applied to non-restricted firearms Give cabinet the final authority to determine firearm classifications Decriminalize firearm offences caused by administrative expiries Repeal the May 2020 federal firearm ban (SOR/2020-96) Repeal Bill C-71 ("An Act to amend certain Acts and Regulations in relation to firearms")(2019) Repeal Bill C-42 ("An Act to amend the Firearms Act and the Criminal Code")(2015) Repeal Bill C-68 ("An Act to amend the Fisheries Act and other Acts in consequence")(1995) Repeal Bill C-17 ("An Act to amend the Yukon Environmental and Socio-economic Assessment Act and to make a consequential amendment to another Act") (1991) Repeal Bill C-51 ("An Act to amend the Criminal Code and the Department of Justice Act and to make consequential amendments to another Act") (1977) Decriminalize non-victim, non-violent firearm offences Completely review the Firearms Act to reduce bureaucracy Foreign Policy Move Canada's embassy in Israel to Jerusalem Reopen the Office of Religious Freedom Remove abortion funding from foreign aid Reduce foreign aid spending by at least 25% Move Canada's embassy in Israel to Jerusalem Reopen the Office of Religious Freedom Consider using the Magnitsky Act against China Move Canada's embassy in Israel to Jerusalem Reopen the Office of Religious Freedom Suspend the Canada-China Legislative Association Consider using the Magnitsky Act against China and Iran List the IRGC as a terrorist organization Reaffirm commitment with Five Eyes Allies Strengthen international position within Francophonie Stronger reviews on foreign investment from Canada into non-free nations, default position of no investment unless compelling reason to do otherwise Remove abortion funding from foreign aid End all funding to the World Health Organization Health Allow medical practitioners to refuse to engage in abortion or assissted-suicide Repeal Bill C-7 which expands doctor assisted suicide to people who's natural death is not "reasonably foreseeable" Increase funding for pregnancy centres Increase funding for palliative care No mandatory vaccinations, vaccinations should be decided by Canadians while consulting with their family doctor Allow medical practitioners to refuse to engage in abortion or assissted-suicide Allow trans people and homosexual men to donate blood Restore funding for the Veterans’ Service Animals’ programs, including support for veterinary costs.` Allow medical practitioners to refuse to engage in abortion or assissted-suicide Convene a Royal Commission on the Pandemic to analyze Canada's response to the COVID-19 pandemic Allow homosexual men to donate blood Build domestic capacity and a strategic reserve in PPE, Key Commodities and Pharmaceuticals Diversify Supply Chains of pharmaceuticals and PPE Institute contact tracing for future outbreaks Allow medical practitioners to refuse to engage in abortion or assissted-suicide Repeal Bill C-7 which expands doctor assisted suicide to people who's natural death is not "reasonably foreseeable" Reduce equalization payments to provinces that force medical practitioners to engage in abortion or assissted-suicide Fire chief public health officer Dr. Tam for trusting information provided by the World Health Organization and China about COVID-19 No mandatory vaccinations, vaccinations should be decided by Canadians while consulting with their family doctor Ban sex-change surgeries for minors Immigration Renegotiate the Safe Third Country Agreement with the United States Stop illegal border crossings by preventing Americans from applying for refugee status in Canada Renegotiate the Safe Third Country Agreement with the United States Review Canada’s temporary foreign worker program Close the illegal border crossing at Roxham Road Renegotiate the Safe Third Country Agreement with the United States Grant asylum to pro-democracy activists fleeing persecution in Hong Kong Close Illegal border crossings (ie Roxham Road) Promote private sponsorship of refugees Utilize government-sponsored refugees to protect at-risk populations (religious, cultural and LGBTQ+) Increase the quota for privately sponsored refugees Reduce annual immigration rates from 350,000 to 150,000 Indigenous Pursue economic partnerships with indigenous communities Redirect money from foreign aid to providing Indigenous reserves with clean drinking water Pursue economic partnerships with indigenous communities Pursue economic partnerships with indigenous communities regarding large resource projects Appoint a specialized RCMP Aboriginal Liaison Officer Use Aboriginal Liaison officers to re-examine cold cases of Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women and address other acute issues facing Canada's Indigenous community Ensure Indigenous communities have access to clean water Break logjam on Indigenous land claim settlements Support and enhance work of First Nations-led institutions Support innovative approaches to addressing mental health and addiction challenges within Indigenous communities Internal Do not disqualify nomination and leadership candidates for their political views Allow Conservative Electoral District Associations to keep their full Elections Canada rebates Allow Conservative Electoral District Associations to keep their full Elections Canada rebates Modernizing Fundraising and CIMS Add party members to Board of the Conservative Fund Allow more grassroots input on party policy Create a dedicated Quebec-based team Do not disqualify nomination and leadership candidates for their political views Labour Oppose programs based on identity politics Allow small business owners to invest their RRSP funds into their enterprises Provide 15-weeks maternity leave to parents who adopt children Legal Increase criminal penalties for human trafficking Criminalize coercing people into having abortions Invest more in cybersecurity and the protection of democratic institutions Increase spending on enforcement in the areas of counterfeit goods and intellectual property theft Criminalize blocking railways, airports, ports, or major roads, or entrances to businesses or households Use the notwithstanding clause to impose mandatory minimum sentences for gun trafficking and violent crime (ie murder, kidnapping, sexual assault) Impose sanctions on entities that violate China's legal obligations to Hong Kong, as well as on banks that do business with these entities Ensure that judges at bail hearings are informed of past criminal actions of accused individuals Make domestic violence an aggravating factor Prohibit indidivudals under peace bond or protective order from owning a “firearm, cross-bow, prohibited weapon, restricted weapon, prohibited device, ammunition, prohibited ammunition or explosive substance, or all such thing” Make it a duty of the police to inform potential or suspected victims of domestic violence of an offending partner’s criminal history End the Court Challenges Program Restore section 230 of the Canadian Criminal Code Incentivize educational institutions and the private sector to partner with womens shelters to provide career training Reform the Not Criminally Responsible Designation Enact Wynn’s Law Enact Clare’s Law Increase funding for border patrol Designate ANTIFA as a terrorist organization Revoke the citizenship of dual citizens who are convicted terrorists Pass an Unborn Victims of Violence Act Pass a Born Alive Infant Protection Act Media/Technology - Increase spending on projects to bring high-speed internet access to all parts of Canada Cut funding for CBC English TV and CBC News Networks by 50% End subsidies for media companies Repeal changes that allow the CRTC to regulate online streaming and online news services Maintain CBC Radio and Radio-Canada along with minority-language services Rollback and end funding to CBC Digital Making subscriptions to Canadian publications tax-deductible Extending Section 19 of the Income Tax Act to internet advertising Expand Broadband to rural areas Military Meet the 2% of GDP targets for defence spending set out by NATO and includes more jobs in our aerospace, defence and technology industries Create a long-term plan to develop a port community and military base in Churchill, Manitoba Build a new high-tech early warning system in Canada's Arctic territory Expand Canadian Rangers and Junior Rangers in Northern communities Meet the 2% of GDP targets for defence spending set out by NATO Cover the costs of psychiatric service dogs for veterans Allow VAC employees to adjudicate benefit claims Build the Afghanistan War Memorial Develop military exchange programs with Ukraine and Israel Assign defence procurement to a single minister Invest in education, equipment and training for Canadian Rangers Shield reservists from losing their jobs while on deployment Revive Regular Officer Training Program at civilian Universities Provide trade training within the Armed Forces to assist in a smooth transition into the workforce Meet the 2% of GDP targets for defence spending set out by NATO within five years Provinces and Territories Pass a National Strategic Pipelines Act Increase Quebec’s autonomy over immigration-related matters Remove restrictions around federal transfers for social programs Allowing territories to hold greater control over their natural resources while keeping 100% of their resource revenue Working with territories to invest in critical infrastructure Build up eco-tourism in Northern parks Support construction and enhancement of deep-water ports at Churchill and Baffin Island Support Newfoundland & Labrador's offshore oil & gas prospects Senate Provide funding to provinces to hold Senate elections Appoint Senators elected in Senate elections held by provinces Reforming the Senate by following the Alberta model Speech Protect free speech by repealing Bill C-16 (which adds gender expression and gender identity as protected grounds to the Canadian Human Rights Act) Protect free speech by repealing Bill C-8 (which bans consensual conversion therapy) Supports Bill C-16 (which adds gender expression and gender identity as protected grounds to the Canadian Human Rights Act) Supports Bill C-16 (which adds gender expression and gender identity as protected grounds to the Canadian Human Rights Act) Protect free speech by repealing Bill C-16 (which adds gender expression and gender identity as protected grounds to the Canadian Human Rights Act) Protect free speech by repealing Bill C-8 (which bans consensual conversion therapy) Reduce equalization payments to provinces that prohibit anti-abortion protests near abortion facilities Taxation Repeal the carbon tax Reduce income taxes for couples by introducing income-splitting for families Raise the Charitable Tax Credit to 40% Repeal the carbon tax Eliminate the tax on split income of businesses No Limit Tax-Free RRSP withdrawal for first time home buyers Provide tax credits and incentives to private sector employers who bring ex-military into their ranks Reduce the small business tax rate on retained earnings in the business Repeal the carbon tax Eliminate the tax on split income of businesses Reduce income taxes for couples by introducing income-splitting for families Include Service Club Dues as charitable expenses Repeal the carbon tax Increase the adoption expense tax credit to 22.5% Trade Prevent Huawei from entering Canada's 5G Networks Prevent Huawei from entering Canada's 5G Networks Prevent Huawei from entering Canada's 5G Networks Support creating a CANZUK agreement between Canada, Australia, New Zealand and the United Kingdom to allow for free trade, enhanced defence partnerships and freedom to study, live and work End imports of petroleum from outside of North America Pursue a free trade agreement with India Preferential Trade with nations who hold a high standard of human rights, democracy, rule of law and environmental transparency United Nations Withdraw from the UN Global Compact for Migration Withhold funding from UNRWA, if significant reforms are not made Withdraw from the UN Global Compact for Migration Withdraw from the UN Paris Agreement Oppose UNDRIP Veterans Merge the veterans' benefits from the Canadian Armed Forces and Veterans Affairs Canada Implement the Lifelong Disability Benefit for moderately to severely injured veterans Partner with Universities, Colleges and Canadian Businesses to provide veterans with a transition into Canadian society Empower military doctors to determine the impact of injuries Implementing a strategy to combat homelessness among veterans Fund education about veterans and Canada’s place in the world Enforce a high standard of care for elderly vets and resolve the current lawsuit between the residents of St. Anne’s Veterans Hospital and the Government of Quebec

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I think we still need to pare down and summarize much of the platform items. Take the first item on agriculture, Ease transfer of family farms from parents to children. What does this mean? His actual platform says Working with community stakeholders in order to develop policies facilitating the transfer of family farms from parents to their children. That is a promise to talk to some people and maybe do something. That should not be included unless there are some actual specifics. I think it would be fine to include something like "implement a food security strategy" though that is also pretty vague. In the example, where he supports permitting gay men to give blood that is an actual thing. Promising to look into something, maybe talk to people about, etc. doesn't deserve mention here. We really need to pare this down to specific actual policies, otherwise it is not valuable for an encylopedic purpose (as opposed to a political one for which it was written).--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 01:03, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

Hi Darryl, I have cut it down more to a point where to my understanding only relevant policy is included. Specifically around foreign policy, there is a bit of exortation in most strategic decisions so I kept it in since it is also relevant policy, let me know what you think. - CanadianCon2020 (talk) 03:07, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, I do not have time to go through all of this line by line. My advice would be narrow things down to a specific policy that you can articulate. If it is too general or vague, we should leave it out all together. If it is something that fits in one of the other categories we already have that would be good too, as then it doesn't look like the other candidates have "no policy" that affects the economy or agriculture etc. If they have one in another section, then maybe O'Toole's policy should be in that section (not a new one), or perhaps we should start a new section and add the other candidates policies that overlap with that section. In an encyclopedia (which is in essence a summary of a topic) less is more. Hope that helps.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 19:45, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

No worries, I got rid of the posts that i felt were not relevant to policy last night. I'll try and parce it down some more so that some categories are not left empty. I think that some were before the platform was released though but I'll do my best. -CanadianCon2020 (talk) 20:18, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

Hi all, just made some final edits, if everyone is ok with the proposed table I will update the information tomorrow at noon est. Feel free to change the table or provide feedback/suggestions. Thank you all. - CanadianCon2020 (talk) 01:22, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

New Scandal

The O'Toole campaign has formally accused the Mackay campaign of stealing confidential campaign data and the O'Toole campaign has sent this complaint to the RCMP. The story is developing. How should we proceed? https://thepostmillennial.com/breaking-otoole-campaign-asks-police-to-investigate-alleged https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/otoole-campaign-asks-police-to-investigate-mackays-campaign-for-allegedly-hacking-internal-data-videos/wcm/ff562f58-1f96-4df3-8220-4607652401ab/

- CanadianCon2020 (talk) 04:11, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

It has already been added. - Ahunt (talk) 19:41, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

I just saw, thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by CanadianCon2020 (talk • contribs) 20:52, 20 June 2020 (UTC) - CanadianCon2020 (talk) 20:56, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

Just to let everyone know there was a development regarding the data theft allegation according to the National Post and I have added it to the timeline. (link here) https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/otoole-campaign-believes-alleged-hack-originated-in-mps-office - CanadianCon2020 (talk) 21:53, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

I don't have an issue in general with YouHunt's comment but it's starting to pull away from the purpose of mentioning the scandal, since two of erins campaign managers (walied and Fred) have denied the claim and have said that its not a refute of theft which is what the scandal is about. I'd suggest that if we do add it back that we also add the comments from Erin's campaign in order to maintain a WP:NPOV. Since this is developing I don't mind updates straight to the page but this one in particular is a little questionable and we should probably discuss it. What do others think? - CanadianCon2020 (talk) 18:19, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

A CBC News article said that Erin O'Toole had sent confidential information and login passwords to 300 MPs and their political staffers and Peter MacKay's campaign did not hack into the O'Toole campaign, as Erin O'Toole has suggested. Youhunt (talk) 19:38, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

You're misreading the article, he was sending the password to a single call not the campaign's zoom vault. This does not prove that Peter's campaign did not hack into the O'Toole campaign, you are reading that into the situation and I have a strong feeling that bias is being included in this new point you are making. - CanadianCon2020 (talk) 20:54, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

Use of Leger Poll in Conservative Party Supporter section

This poll had an extremely small sample size, is it suitable for Wikipedia purposes? -CanadianCon2020 (talk) 02:27, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

In my view, the only two polls that are legitimate are the two that are of actual CPC members. I am very surprised that these are the only two published polls though. As for this one in question, what exactly is a "supporter" of the CPC? A supporter is not a dues paying member who has the right to vote. Obviously this particular poll is also spotty due to the small sample size. I don't see any point in having polls of "supporters" or the general public, and including candidates who are not even in the race such as Rona Ambrose. Also, this is going to be a very close race. Nobody is going to take a poll seriously that has O'Toole at 10% or less.142.122.138.119 (talk) 21:40, 25 June 2020 (UTC)TS

I disagree. It is fine for us to include polls of supporters and Canadians at-large. While only members can vote, who ever wins will be taking the party into a general election. It is relevant what supporters and Canadians at large think of them. Also, what other supporters and Canadians think can indirectly affect how members vote. We regularly include these sorts of numbers, as long as we are clear about who was polled (members, supporters or Canadians) there is no problem including all polls conducted by well regarded agencies.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 21:47, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

I think all the polls should be included for the reasons that User:Darryl Kerrigan explains. It is not a problem, as long as the sample population polled is cleared explained. - Ahunt (talk) 21:49, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Remove Ben Mulroney from the Declined Section

I think that his inclusion in this section is ridiculous, and quite frankly it could be considered fake news. He never once said that he was running or even pondering it. The media ran a number of fake news stories speculating that he might run. Obviously this was never going to happen. I think it is absurd that his name shows up in the article as if it is to be taken seriously, and I might even say that his name is being included to embarrass the CPC and make the leadership contest seem like a sideshow. I'm not sure who included his name, but I wonder if there was a motive to that edit. Why not include Jessica Mulroney while we're at it just because she has the name Mulroney as well? 142.116.67.148 (talk) 22:17, 23 June 2020 (UTC)TS

I agree he doesn't belong: if Ben isn't going to make any overtures into politics, then it doesn't matter how much breathless speculation he gets because of his name— he's ultimately not notable in this context. In fact, I had removed him some months prior, but apparently someone went and added him back recently. So I've gone and removed it again. — Kawnhr (talk) 02:44, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

I think this whole section needs to go. At very best it is WP:NOTNEWS. Most of these people never even considered running. It is much closer to National Enquirer level, than encyclopedic content. Lots of people aren't running. So what? - Ahunt (talk) 12:24, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

As someone who took a machete to the Decline section months ago, I agree that there is a tendency for these sections to become bloated and start listing people who aren't relevant. But done properly, I think they provide context to the race by making note of who either a) received heavy speculation and/or courting or b) made overtures about joining before ultimately backing off— these speak to sentiments within the party. Ambrose, Charest and Poilievre, at the very least, were all high-profile demurrals. Also, these sections are commonplace in leadership elections, so I'd be wary of making a unilateral change here. — Kawnhr (talk) 21:10, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Many more of these people need to be removed. Bernier is now the worst example of nonsense given that he is the leader of a completely different party and would obviously never be allowed to run by the CPC. The only ones who really belong there are Charest, Guzzo, and Poilievre since they were actively exploring the leadership and pulled out at the very last moment. Virtually all of the others on the list are just people who could have run because they ran previously or have been in the movement for a long time, but there's little to no evidence that any of them were seriously considering it.142.122.138.119 (talk) 21:36, 25 June 2020 (UTC)TS

I can support that, then. Let's remove all except Charest, Guzzo, and Poilievre. - Ahunt (talk) 21:39, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Maybe there are others who did seriously consider running and dropped out at the last minute, so feel free to double check that, but just going off my own memory these are the only three that would fit this criteria.142.122.138.119 (talk) 21:43, 25 June 2020 (UTC)TS

Looking through the list of references in this section, it looks like Williamson might also qualify since he implies in a direct personal statement that he was interested but decided against it.142.122.138.119 (talk) 21:52, 25 June 2020 (UTC)TS

I would be fine with excising all the figures who were only the subject of initial speculation and listicles, and restricting it to to candidates who had dedicated articles about a run. From a quick look, that includes the above three, plus Baird, Clark, Fortier and Williamson. I will also, once again, make the argument for keeping Ambrose: while she did not make any public signals, she was pretty obviously courted by the party and racked up two endorsements— from heavyweights Kenney and Wall— before definitively ruling herself out, and her initial silence was apparently a reason that Clark stayed out— her demurral shaped the race in some fashion and is thus notable. — Kawnhr (talk) 22:03, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

New "History" section

Since the hacking allegations are another major development in this race, and it's currently being covered awkwardly in the timeline section, I went ahead and made a dedicated "History" section that I suggested a while back. I grant that it's a little barebones right now (just the background and lead-up to the race, plus the hacking allegations), but it's still something of a WIP as there's at least a couple other things I plan to cover in the section (namely the impact of the coronavirus), so please don't delete it as unnecessary at this point in time. Otherwise, direct all coverage of notable events and developments to this section. — Kawnhr (talk) 17:45, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

Debates Table

Perhaps we should add a table of the debates. That might be a bit of an undertaking, but volunteers are welcome to take it on.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 19:23, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Haha it would be a bit of a hassle and would it be just the two main televised debates or include all the smaller ones like the GTA one from last night? If you think it will add something to the article we could consider it, what do others think? It would also be long.-CanadianCon2020 (talk) 23:03, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

It would look something like this. Yes, it would be the big two, and could include other small debates if two or more of the candidates attend.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 00:26, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

I misred your initial point, if its just saying who showed up, I think that's a great idea. -CanadianCon2020 (talk) 01:38, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

Alright, I have put in a simple table, it just shows the two main debates. If there are others that at least two candidates have attended they should also be added. Or perhaps if any high profile ones come up that candidates refuse to attend. Anyway, it is a start, but please improve it further.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 19:22, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

Ill add the GTA debate that happened a couple of days ago, (erin, leslyn and derek were there) cheers! - CanadianCon2020 (talk) 19:43, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

Should we link debates

I'll add the debate links here, if someone wants to attach it to the main page I think it would be a welcome addition.

French Debate debate starts at 36:22
English Debate debate starts at 2:04
Etobicoke-Lakeshore GTA Forum/Debate debate starts at 0:00

- CanadianCon2020 (talk) 22:31, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

If the debate links are required as citations for the content of the article/table etc, then we can add them as a reference. Generally, we are not supposed to be promotional so we probably don't need to provide links unless we need to use the debates themselves as a primary source for content we are including in the article.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 20:33, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Photo needed: Derek Sloan

Based on the notices above, it appears the photo of Derek Sloan is going to be erased. It would be helpful for the article to have one. If someone has an opportunity to get one, that would be helpful.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 18:24, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

To be clear someone would need a photo they them self took, or one that is otherwise in the Commons. Photos from news articles are likely copyrighted and will likely be quickly erased. Same for his House of Commons photo, as Crown copyright is a thing in Canada.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 23:32, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

I think this would be ok for a temporary placeholder (recognizing it is of lower quality than the other candidate photos, and can hopefully be replaced soon).Lilactree201 (talk) 22:21, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

Ugh, no that is a dreadful photo, worse than none at all. - Ahunt (talk) 22:45, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

Ahunt agreed that it is a dreadful photo, but would disagree that it is better then nothing at all given that he is considered a legitimate candidate for the post and deserves a photo. Additionally worth noting the cropped photo is used on both the french language article and his personal page. should no doubt be updated once a new one becomes available. Epluribusunumyall (talk) 08:07, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

I still think it is worse than no photo at all. He is not only basically unidentifiable in that photo, but it reflects badly on Wikipedia to use such a poor photo. - Ahunt (talk) 11:47, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

I tend to agree with AHunt. This photo with him looking down is really bad. Having it next to the other candidates much more professional looking photos, is of little encyclopedic value and may be seen as WP:POV because it is unfaltering, he is looking down (perhaps signaling something), etc. It would stand out next to the photos of the others in the infobox, and not in a good way. Also having no photo there, makes it more likely that someone will take one at a campaign event and upload it here.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 19:32, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

Is it possible to screenshot one still of Sloan from the debate last night or the one tonight? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXpgP8Hibvg there's the link to the french debate^ -CanadianCon2020 (talk) 19:44, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

Unfortunately not, as those are all copyright images. Under Wikipedia guidence we can't make a claim of "fair use" or "fair dealing" (under the Canadian Copyright Act) for a person who is still alive and thus a freely-licensed image could still be taken. Basically we need a freely-licensed image either taken by someone else or for his cammpaign to release an image under a free licence. - Ahunt (talk) 12:30, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Potentially we could search Instagram for people who tagged him in photos; then if we saw a suitable one, ask their permission to use it on Wikipedia — Preceding unsigned comment added by Smallvizier (talk • contribs) 04:48, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Flickr allows free-licesing of images, so you might find one there that could be uploaded to commons. - Ahunt (talk) 12:32, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

I added a picture of Derek I took of him, can someone add it to the top 4 pics? I don't want to screw it up :) thanks... the image is titled - Derek Sloan Image. Thanks in advance!Danman2110 (talk) 15:31, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Danman2110 (talk • contribs) 15:35, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Done.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 16:30, 3 July 2020 (UTC)