Talk:2019 Continental Cup (cricket)

Format

ICC calendar indicates two groups of three. ICC Future Tours says total of 11 T20Is, so I guess that's the 6 group stage matches, 2 semi-finals, followed by final, 3rd/4th and 5th/6th play-offs, but have not specified this until there is more information. Note that the two ICC refs will need to be replaced eventually as these only show upcoming series. Bs1jac (talk) 10:18, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

Also note that I have not added any markings to show teams progressing to the next stage as we have no details yet (as above, likely to be the top two from each group going into semi-finals). Bs1jac (talk) 14:28, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

The tournament is also known as the Continental Cup (for some reason; perhaps Eastern European Cup would be more accurate!), as mentioned on Cricket Romania Facebook and Twitter during the previous edition in July 2018; seems to be a regular event, with one instance in CricHQ from 2014. However we should stick with the name given by the ICC unless/until any good sources are found later (not Czar Sports!), in which case there could be a discussion. Bs1jac (talk) 20:38, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

Play-off format confirmed. Rather than semi-finals followed by final, 3rd place and 5th place match (to make up the 11 matches stated in the ICC future tours site), it will be a qualifier (two group winners), eliminator (group runners-up), and 5th-place match, followed by a second qualifier (loser of the first qualifier between group winners vs winner of the eliminator between group runners-up) and a final. Bs1jac (talk) 12:09, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

@Bs1jac: Late to reply but as far as I know, Austria and Luxembourg aren't in the east. Human (talk) 19:38, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

@A Simple Human: Yes Austria could get away with it, but Luxembourg isn't. Looking into the history, it has primarily been Eastern European teams involved (Bulgaria and Serbia have played at least once); Luxembourg not since 2015. My point being you can't really call something a continental cup if it is 'invite only' rather than open to all; at least it's a bit weird! Would be like having a continental cup in Asia but only inviting Bhutan, Maldives, Bahrain and Myanmar. Anyway, CI is sticking with Romania T20 Cup, and we have indicated that it is also known as Continental Cup. Some of the refs and FB posts even put it in inverted commas, e.g., "...this 'continental' cup." Ps: Tell you what, it took a bit of time to figure out the format and present it nicely, then they went and changed it! Bs1jac (talk) 19:44, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

Russian withdrawal

Russia were announced to have withdrawn from the tournament today. I have restructured the match schedule as it is now a single group followed by a final, instead of two groups followed by various play-offs. Cricinfo still shows the original format and so the scorecards there will need to be changed. Bs1jac (talk) 14:02, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

Source for Scorecard

Hi, Can someone please post a link to source for scorecards. Its not updated in CI... Looks like another Kuwait Qatar Series or the Pacific Games repeat in terms of coverage... Ankurc.17 (talk) 01:22, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

They are on the European Cricket Network app. Will need to check against CI once they do appear there (and I bet they dont record the concussion sub!). Bs1jac (talk) 06:07, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

Debuts

We need to be a little careful with debuts in this series as nothing is yet appearing in Cricinfo. Cricclubs, CricHQ and in this case ECN, have a tendency to write names of players slightly differently to Cricinfo which is the primary source. A couple of examples in today's CZE-AUT game where ECN has listed different names that listed in the squad section, which has where possible been matched to players existing in CI. Of course once cards finally appear in cricinfo we can run through all of the players mentioned and adjusted as necessary. Also ECN lists mire than 11 players per match, so unless a player bats or bowls, we can't be sure if they played yet until the official card is in CI. Bs1jac (talk) 08:59, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

As expected, the concussion substitute in game 1 has not been recorded. The player should have been credited as making a debut in that game but instead is marked as making his debut in Romania's next game. So now the details here are conflicting. Also am confident that the LUX keeper in game 2 was Joost Mees mentioned several times during live video feed, but he is not listed as playing that game. Bs1jac (talk) 21:11, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

In fact watching it back I think it was just a regular sub rather than a concussion replacement for Romania. Regular subs are now allowed to keep wicket, but do not earn a cap. So that is fine. Joost Mees definitely played in Luxembourg's first game so that is currently incorrect in CI. Bs1jac (talk) 08:37, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

Names

@A Simple Human: It is a shame that on these pages we end up writing player names incorrectly because CI writes in plain characters only, i.e. no á, ñ, ö etc. Ps. Joost Mees defintely played Luxembourgs first game as keeper so looks like CI have got thing wrong unfortunately. CI lists no keeper in that game and I think he played rather than James Barker based on live commentary, but oh well! Bs1jac (talk) 21:19, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

@Bs1jac: I know CI is incorrect at the moment but we have to follow them as they contain all the caps and statistics regarding the players, which other websites don't. They'll fix it soon I believe as it has been the case always. Human (talk) 22:07, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

@A Simple Human: It hasn't absolutely always been the case in some small series, but yes I know we need to follow them. Just pointing out the error and I had already changed debuts accordingly. There are some missing catches in the Pacific Games for example. Anyway I have contacted them about Joost Mees and also the concussion sub not being listed as a debut, in case it helps at all. Actually I watched it again and it wanst a concussion sub, just a regular sub. Bs1jac (talk) 22:13, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

Retired Hurt

@A Simple Human: See Law 25.4 (Batsman retiring), section 25.4.2. "25.4.2 If a batsman retires because of illness, injury or any other unavoidable cause, that batsman is entitled to resume his/her innings. If for any reason this does not happen, that batsman is to be recorded as ‘Retired - not out’". The team is recorded as 'all out', because they were unable to continue. Also see the player's records in Cricinfo, which shows his four T20I innings to be 11*, 64*, 4 and 28, and his overall T20I record shows two not outs with a high score of 64 not out. Hopefully that helps you. Bs1jac (talk) 11:29, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Man of the match

Hi Bs1jac, firstly may I say you have done a superb effort on this article. However, I have just added two citation need tags for the two man of the match awards that have been added. I have checked both and CI and CA neither have the listed the motm. If you have a source please included it, otherwise please remove. Thanks – Ianblair23 (talk) 23:24, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

Hi Ianblair23. This was some time ago now, and I cannot find the definitive source so have removed. In both cases I believe it was from social media and/or the European Cricket Network app, but as I can't find it anymore, I agree that they should be removed (always feel that motm is a somewhat unnecessary detail anyway, particularly for smaller events given that they are not well reported on... but yes best to omit it even if 'known' if source cannot be found). Bs1jac (talk) 23:35, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

Thanks Bs1jac. Cheers – Ianblair23 (talk) 23:39, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

Official scorecards

I have finally managed to source official scorecards from Cricket Romania after realising the Cricinfo cards contained at least one error. In fact having gone through the official cards there are lots of errors including several instances of the wrong players being including in the playing XI, runs and overs attributed to the wrong player, etc. I have collated the corrections and sent them to a Cricinfo contact along with the official cards. They have confirmed receipt and will update hopefully soon. Bs1jac (talk) 12:56, 8 May 2020 (UTC)