Talk:2018 FIFA World Cup final

Background section

What exactly is the point of a background section if it only summarizes decades-old achievements by the finalists, rather than explaining how the tournament ended up with these two finalists (beyond just their matches). At minimum, an explanation for why the defending champion or one of the "top-rated" teams aren't here is warranted, given that this article will likely be the first landing spot for readers coming from the Main Page after 15 July. SounderBruce 03:08, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

There's no reason to expect that the defending champions would return to the final - that info is better suited to being included in the 2018 FIFA World Cup article as a summary of the entire tournament. This article should be kept to info about the final itself and the teams that actually did make it. – PeeJay 10:28, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Agreed, that information should be included in a general tournament summary on 2018 FIFA World Cup, this article should only be focused on the final. S.A. Julio (talk) 15:48, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Based on the general audience we'll get, especially those who don't have as much knowledge about the sport, we should state the obvious by providing tournament details. In most sporting competitions, it is reasonable to expect the defending champion to perform well...the World Cup is just a wild exception (and only in recent years). SounderBruce 17:51, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Maybe so, but that's what we have 2018 FIFA World Cup and all its supplementary articles for. – PeeJay 22:11, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

And the route to the final is also summarized by the main article and its supplements. Doesn't mean it isn't worth including. SounderBruce 23:37, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

The route to the final is relevant because it relates directly to the teams that are contesting the match. There's no reason to expect that any one team in particular will make it to the final, so mentioning not only the fact that Germany failed to reach the final but also that the Netherlands and Italy didn't even qualify for the finals is a step too far. – PeeJay 00:50, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, the defending champion thing is just weird. In a large number of sports, it's hardly surprising if the defending champion does not make it to the final. For example, even in the Rugby World Cup, this only happened in 2003, 2007 and 2015 or 3 out of the 8 finals so far, or 7 opportunities. (Hopefully it'll be 101 out of 106/105 in a few centuries, but I digress.) And rugby (union) has far fewer teams able to compete at a top level, only 5 different teams have ever made it to the final! Expecting someone to perform well is quite different from expecting them to make it all the way to the final. Nil Einne (talk) 21:59, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 July 2018

203.170.25.6 (talk) 16:03, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

This is second World Cup final after 2010 not to feature atleast one Brazil, Italy, Germany and Agrentina and the first ever where these 4 have not made it even to the semi finals

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Hhkohh (talk) 16:05, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Template:Croatia_national_football_team

Could somebody have a look at this template please? Right now it's just linking arbitrarily to all world cups and euros since 1998, regardless if the year held any significance for Croatia or not. Looking at how the French box is done, I guess it should just be listing this match for the world cup, and nothing for the euros? EditorInTheRye (talk) 10:34, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

France have a dedicated match template, this is only Croatia's third notable match. "World Cup Finals" refers to the number of tournaments they've participated in, the actual matches are listed under "notable matches". S.A. Julio (talk) 13:13, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

Final

Per FIFA minutes. Fix.--79.26.106.190 (talk) 17:15, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

Finally  Done.--79.26.106.190 (talk) 18:32, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

Ops, Pjaca is a FW for FIFA pdf.--79.26.106.190 (talk) 19:19, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

 Fixed S.A. Julio (talk) 19:22, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

Heavy Pouring Rain During The Awarding Ceremony

Is this the first time in World Cup history that the awarding ceremony was held under a pouring rain? If yes, perhaps it deserves a mention in the Post-Match section. --46.242.13.234 (talk) 21:03, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

̽* I also noticed this thing just at the conclusion of the match where the post match presentation underwent under heavy rains after France's victory in the tournament after a lapse of 20 years. But I don't think it is relevant to add this note to the article unless it is sourced by somebody else. Abishe (talk) 07:44, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

BTW a lot of European press covered how the personnel brought an umbrella to protect Putin, but not the other two presidents: [www.google.com/search?q=putin+umbrella+final&tbm=nws]. Ain92 (talk) 11:09, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 July 2018

Locbinbo (talk) 09:30, 16 July 2018 (UTC) man of the match is Kylian Mbappe

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Danski454 (talk) 09:32, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Broadcast information and data

The proper viewership numbers from FIFA won't be available for a few months, based on when they've published viewership reports in tournaments past, but the information will still need to be presented in this article. Feel free to drop viewership numbers for major countries in the list below. SounderBruce 06:19, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

• France (TF1): 19.3 to 22.3 million, plus 1.2 million streamers (Variety)
• United Kingdom (BBC and ITV): 35.7 million (Irish Independent/PA)
• United States (FOX): 11.824 million (Fox Sports)
  • United States, Spanish (Telemundo): TBA

Also needed are some figures for 30-second advertising slots, which should be more readily available.

• United States (FOX): ~$400,000 to $476,000 (MediaPost)

@SounderBruce: I added the broadcast numbers for some countries — most backed up with proper, reliable references — with this edit; but, better references are needed for Canada and Russia, I used {{cite press release}} for the former and FourFourTwo Australia's article quoting Sputnik News for the latter; but, there's a lot of room to improve there. Honestly, I didn't think of the advertising spots thing, but it's a brilliant idea, if I recall correctly, a Variety article about TV ratings in France did delve into advertising spot numbers, so, that — in addition to the US numbers — is a good start.
Regards, SshibumXZ (Talk) (Contributions). 12:24, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

Biased

The article is talking about Griezmann possible dive, but no mention to the free kick for Croatia that resulted the first goal was also rewarded after a dive of which also N'Golo Kanté got a yellow card. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.254.5.87 (talk) 19:16, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Weather partly cloudy?

The match was played during quite a lot of thunder and lightning, in both halves. Although admittedly the heavy rain didn't come until the ceremony, but I think changing it to 'thunderstorm' would be more accurate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.21.71.198 (talk) 18:07, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:2018 FIFA World Cup Final/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: The Rambling Man (talk · contribs) 12:11, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Comments

• "The event comprised..." the event, by which you mean the World Cup finals, not this final. Potentially confusing.
• "an own goal by " link.
• "awarded a penalty when" better link.
• "by some pundits" English pundits.
• "from the penalty to " either delete from or add "spot".

  Deleted.  — Amakuru (talk) 22:56, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

• "before Mario Mandžukić" overlinked.
• "following their win in" repeat of win, maybe "victory"?
• "as captain of the" could link?
• "The match was the first World Cup final for Croatia Croatia..." Do you mean the 2018 World Cup final when you say match? And double Hrvatska there.

  Yes, clarified.  — Amakuru (talk) 22:56, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

• "recent having been in 2010." between...?
• "by FIFA on 2 " overlinked.
• "now-erstwhile" is this needed?

  No.  — Amakuru (talk) 22:56, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

• "for the Russia national team and its" overlinked.
• "The exterior of... " fragment, no full stop.
• Could link bookmaker.
• "ahead of Sweden and" overlinked.
• "an Australian penalty" a penalty for Australia.
• "The victory over Peru qualified France" over Peru isn't needed.
• "match against Denmark. That match" match/match repeat.
• "runners-up Argentina, on" overlinked.
• "had fouled Mbappé" link foul.
• "Antoine Griezmann gave France" overlinked.
• "the penalty area. Argentina" link.
• "Jennings of BBC Sport described" italics or not italics?

  Let's go with not. That seems to be becoming the default again.  — Amakuru (talk) 22:56, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

• "Pavard's goal was later voted as goal of the tournament" repetitive and you don't really describe it at all...

  Removed.  — Amakuru (talk) 22:56, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

• "from Raphael Varane and" diacritic on Raphael.
• "with an own goal by Oghenekaro" overlinked.
• "by Mario Mandžukić and" likewise.
• "a substitute, citing" link?
• "played Denmark on 1 July at" overlinked.
• "and a missed penalty from" perhaps "and Croatia missed a ..."? Reads a bit odd to me as it stands.
• "against hosts Russia, on " overlinked.
• "with a header by" link header.
• Is it shootout or shoot-out?
• "going into extra time.[" overlinked.
• "at the 2014 FIFA World Cup. His" likewise.
• "named the video assistant referee, presiding" ditto.
• "by Brazilian star" yuck, maybe "former Brazilian international"?
• " 4–4–2 formation" put formation inside the link.
• "plumped" really?
• "The Guardian's Barry Glendenning wrote" Guardian needs italics.
• "reached Mario Mandzukic. He" no need for Mario.
• "goalkeeper Danijel Subašić for an own goal" both overlinked.
• "Blaise Matuidi's attempt to " link.
• "saying that" claiming that?

  We don't normally say people WP:CLAIMed things, but in the case of a penalty it's standard language so OK.  — Amakuru (talk) 22:56, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

• "The video assistant referee alerted" overlinked.
• "deflected for a corner by" overlinked.
• " by Ivan Rakitić into the penalty area, where Domagoj Vida had" both overlinked.
• "free-kick which" hyphenated or not?
• "several pitch invaders were chased onto the" chased onto?
• "had an opportunity when" to score.
• "was able to make a " -> "made a"
• "made a substitution on" unlink, should have been linked earlier.
• "Pogba's took a " remove "'s"
• "when Giroud hit" first name and link.
• "that goalkeeper Hugo Lloris failed" remove goalkeeper Hugo (and link).
• "Despite a late push by" maybe "Despite late pressure from..."?
• "Attendance: 78,011[80]" no need for that ref there.
• "scoring since 1966, and the highest score in regular time since 1958." both overlinked.
• "presidents Putin, Macron, and Grabar-Kitarović amid" all overlinked.
• "French captain Hugo Lloris.[103] As Lloris" unlink, merge to avoid quick repeat.
• "official song "Live It Up" was" overlinked.
• "captain Luka Modrić won the" overlinked.
• "France's Antoine Griezmann, the " ditto.
• "broadcasters BBC One and " ovelrinked.
• "Sony Ten 3 and" overlinked.
• "°S,43.1670911" space after comma.
• Ref 96 error.

That's it, I'll check the refs when these are addressed. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 19:22, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

• @The Rambling Man: I think I've addressed everything here. I've also updated the pitch diagram in the Details section so that it shows the correct formations, matching the BBC source.  — Amakuru (talk) 22:56, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

• Ref 10, ref 42, ref 58 etc: NYT is sub only for me.

  That's odd, the links go straight through to the article for me, even in incognito mode.  — Amakuru (talk) 10:02, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

• Ref 11, ref 29, no "The" in the work title.
• Ref 13, consistent RSSSF format. Check all.
• Ref 47: FIFA format.
• Ref 56: what is Spielverlagerung? is it RS? Is there a link?

  I've replaced that passage with a summary of the game from the BBC instead.  — Amakuru (talk) 10:02, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

• Ref 59: consistent publisher linking.
• Ref 90: Evening Standard doesn't need to be piped to a redirect.
• Ref 103: check consistent format with other links to that YouTube video.
• Ref 107: add one of those redundant "The" to this work.
• Ref 114: SHOUTING.
• Ref 114: net.hr link?
• Ref 118: appears to have curly apos.
• Ref 129: is World Soccer Talk RS?
• Ref 130: just while we're at it, make that (India) rather than (Calcutta).
• Ref 137: SHOUTING.

That's it for me. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 09:02, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

• @The Rambling Man: - all addressed I think, apart from the NYT, where I can't see an issue. Let me know if I need to do anything about that one. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 10:02, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

  Weird, I just checked again and it says I hit my limit of free articles and can't see any part of any NYT article without paying. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 11:59, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

  @The Rambling Man: Oh well, who knows then. I've added |url-access=subscription which should cover it both ways.  — Amakuru (talk) 12:05, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

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Err, this edit added a glaring factual error in the lead section about the manager of one of the two teams, so y'all might want to actually proofread this if it's supposed to be a good article. :D --Joy [shallot] (talk) 19:28, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

Joy great! Thanks for fixing it, this is, after all, Wikipedia!! The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 19:36, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

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