Talk:2018 Egyptian Super Cup

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On 13 March 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved from 2017–18 Egyptian Super Cup to 2016–17 Egyptian Super Cup. The result of the discussion was moved.

Requested move 14 September 2019

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The result of the move request was: Moved to season articles. There's a very tenuous, but still existing, consensus here that given Egypt's unique situation, the season proposal would be the best for these articles (closed by non-admin page mover) Sceptre (talk) 20:41, 15 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

– This is very a common issue that happens in many countries like Italy for example, but for Egypt it happens way too often that it probably reached a point where we should change the articles name. The 2018 Egyptian Super Cup for example (which was supposed to be played before the start of the 2018–19 Egyptian Premier League in July 2018) was postponed for more than 14 months and is now scheduled to be played in late September 2019. At this point, I believe that the name of all articles above should be changed but I'm not sure what name can we use exactly. The best solution that came to my head is to change the title from including years to including seasons; for example, the 2018 Egyptian Super Cup should be moved to 2018–19 Egyptian Super Cup so it'd mean that the match was played during that season and not the year included. I'm sure this is the best solution we have here (probably the only one) and won't cause any confusion to the visitors, but there will be one problem; moving the articles to the name I suggested will probably break WP:CONSISTENCY since I'm pretty sure there's no articles that uses seasons instead of years in the title. Maybe there's other better suggestions but I don't think so. Ben5218 (talk) 22:17, 14 September 2019 (UTC) --Relisting. — Amakuru (talk) 07:48, 23 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

What are the sources calling the game? Just the Egyptian Super Cup? The 2015 Super Cup should not be moved, see [1] Here I would just call it the 2019 Egyptian Super Cup to reflect the year it was played in, and the prose should state how the teams qualified. [2] SportingFlyer T·C 03:24, 15 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@SportingFlyer: Following the 2015 edition, the tournament started being refereed to as simply the Egyptian Super Cup by the media and almost all Arabic and Egyptian sources. I nominated the 2015 article to be renamed too only to match the most recent editions (so the last 4-5 seasons would be named in the same way). Ben5218 (talk) 20:03, 15 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. Giant Snowman 13:41, 15 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I would prefer if the articles were named for the year that the game was played on like for all the articles about Scottish League Cup finals, but this gets really confusing after 2015, so it might be better to just name it based on the season they were supposed to be played in, however the 2018 Egyptian Super Cup was played at the start of the 2019–20 season, so I'm just really confused. KingSkyLord (talk | contribs) 23:08, 16 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@KingSkyLord: That's my point. That's why I believe the only decent solution is to move each article to the season they were supposed to be played in. Ben5218 (talk) 18:52, 19 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - put them in year actually played, which I think would be 2015, 2017, 2018, and 2019? Giant Snowman 10:44, 18 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@GiantSnowman: That's correct; but again, the point of this moving proposal is to make it less confusing. Anyone who would search for the 2018 Egyptian Super Cup for example would be obviously looking for the match between the 2017–18 Egyptian Premier League winners and the 2017–18 Egypt Cup winners. However, that match will be played tomorrow, 20 September 2019, and the match played in 2018 was involving the winners of the 2016–17 editions. Ben5218 (talk) 18:52, 19 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

In that case why not use the season as a disambiguation rather than year of final? 2016–17 Egyptian Super Cup etc.? Giant Snowman 14:13, 27 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think that this has been done before here on Wikipedia so this is an unlikely solution.. We don't have a dab page called 2018–19 FA Community Shield for example because in England the match is always played before the start of the new season. So in my opinion, using seasons instead of years in the articles titles would be a decent move only if we move the articles themselves and not by making it a dab pages. Ben5218 (talk) 19:31, 27 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

But the entire point is that it's different in Egypt, so a different name is suitable. Giant Snowman 10:30, 3 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yes but still, a dab page wouldn't make any difference really since the current title won't change; it would still make confusion in other ways. For example, Al Ahly coach René Weiler, who won the most recent Egyptian Super Cup title played on 20 September 2019, joined the club in August 2019. In his honour section you would see that he won the 2018 Egyptian Super Cup despite actually joining the club in 2019. This will make the visitors feel confused, right? That's why I believe moving the current titles from years to season is the only decent move available for us. Ben5218 (talk) 19:03, 4 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I think you may have misread GiantSnowman's intention. I don't think they were suggesting the creation of a disambiguation page. They were suggesting using the year range of the season (e.g. 2016-17) in the title as the disambiguating text, i.e. the text that serves to distinguish between the articles on different Egyptian Super Cups. So ultimately I think they were agreeing with the scheme you mentioned in your nomination. (Unless I'm totally misunderstanding). Colin M (talk) 04:13, 9 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Huh? Seems like I didn't get what he mean back then. Ben5218 (talk) 19:04, 11 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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