Talk:2016 Reutlingen knife attack

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Moved, 10 May 2019, from Reutlingen knife attack to 2016 Reutlingen knife attack, see discussion.
Moved, 26 July 2016, from Reutlingen machete attack to Reutlingen knife attack, see discussion.

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7 November 2024 to 2016 Reutlingen knife attack - Reverted 8 November 2024 - Reason: Knife attack is the commonly used term and title was agreed in RM discussion

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25 July 2016 to Reutlingen machete attack reason: Unnecessary disambiguation.
25 July 2016 from 2016 Reutlingen knife attack to 2016 Reutlingen machete attack reason: As per sources.

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Incident getting international headlines, presumably because the Perp was an asylum seeker. Let's see what develops, and then consider whether this might be redirected to a list within an article on the rising concern in Germany over crimes by asylum seekers, a concern that has political repercussions.E.M.Gregory (talk) 11:29, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, but really, just about every single incident gets international headlines, at least for a few days. Sure, let's see what develops, but I can't help but think this recent plethora of articles is derailing our focus, toward NEWS. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 15:48, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

In fact, the overwhelming majority of murders, including stabbing attacks, get only local coverage. To assert that "just about every single incident gets international headlines," is just, well,absurd.E.M.Gregory (talk) 16:11, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Oh please. Drmies (talk) 17:25, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Wait first, then (probably) delete. Similar to 2016 Würzburg train attack, in that it gets headlines because of its proximity to 2016 Nice attack. Independently, a fairly routine crime. InedibleHulk (talk) 16:13, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hacking strangers in the street or on a train is routine? Jim Michael (talk) 17:34, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. Just not in southern Germany, until lately. InedibleHulk (talk) 17:48, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

No, truly, it is not "routine." Not anywhere. I took the Acela just yesterday, and there wasn't a single machete attack on entire whole ride. I've also ridden a lot of German trains in the last couple of years, and I can't recall witnessing a single hacking-to-death. Nor do I see them when I ride trains in India or Turkey - perhaps InedibleHulk has been on more exciting train rides than I take.E.M.Gregory (talk) 18:06, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This one isn't the train one. There are more exciting streets linked above. InedibleHulk (talk) 18:10, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This Hamburg to Bremen train seems a bit exciting. InedibleHulk (talk) 16:11, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I would say a potential article about the concern by Germany (and maybe other European countries) about crimes by asylum seekers is well in order. Parsley Man (talk) 18:11, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

There's also some chatter about that at Talk:2016 Ansbach bombing. InedibleHulk (talk) 18:46, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Immigration and crime in Germany. I have boldly made a start at such an article.E.M.Gregory (talk) 18:52, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note, however, that attacks discussed as a group, may also be independently notable.E.M.Gregory (talk) 18:58, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the article. I also see no routine in murdering pregnant women with a machete and attacking everyone else on the street as well. --Gerry1214 (talk) 19:03, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It was hardly "everyone else". InedibleHulk (talk) 19:40, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hilk, have there been articles detailing how many people were in or near the site of the stabbing? If so, please add the info to the article.E.M.Gregory (talk) 22:22, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

That doesn't seem worth noting, but just two unharmed witnesses here indicate he only wounded at most half of everyone else. InedibleHulk (talk) 16:05, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Revisiting my original opinion. The amount, depth, ego-breadth of coverage now carries this over the WP:GNG standards beyond any doubt.E.M.Gregory (talk) 19:46, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Time of attack is only known to be approximate

All sources I've seen say the attack took place at "about" 4:30 p.m, they're approximate. I am wondering whether should the time be listed in the infobox as about 4:30 p.m. just like the sources say or simply 4:30 p.m. Advice is much appreciated. DinoBambinoNFS (talk) 18:37, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

If it's not precise, we shouldn't say or imply it is. But seems worth noting, since it's a "broad daylight" hour. InedibleHulk (talk) 18:45, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Agree that we keep describe the time as "approximate," or, "at about 4:30".E.M.Gregory (talk) 18:47, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@DinoBambinoNFS It is not needed 176.7.160.13 (talk) 10:16, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Move the article

The article should be moved to "Reutlingen attack" from "Reutlingen machete attack". The weapon used hasn't been properly identified yet by the authorities and the article itself differs on its identity. DinoBambinoNFS (talk) 18:42, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds about right. I think "machete" just sounds scarier. Even stories that say that in headlines say meat cleaver in the bodies. I'd imagine you're more likely to find a cleaver in a kebab shop than a machete, but the only photos I can find have a foot in the way. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:18, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Weapon = Döner-knife

The weapon has been widely reported as being a Döner messer, about 60 cm long: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] --S I 23:03, 2 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Fixed, but not sourced. Which is most reputable? InedibleHulk (talk) 00:26, 3 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

My personal choice would be:

1. de:Reutlinger General-Anzeiger (for being the local one)

2. Stuttgarter Zeitung (same text as Stuttgarter Nachrichten only different layout)

3. FAZ for best detailed report in this case.

But all the other links I gave are sources with good reputation in Germany, too (exc only tz being a tabloid). Though reputable & local reporter, I wouldn't include the SWR3 source because they didn't update the false claim of the car driver intentionally hitting the knifer. --S I 10:24, 3 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Went with your first pick. Thanks for the insight. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:11, 4 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Use of Bild as a source

Bild is clearly not a reliable source. It's the equivalent of the UK tabloid, The Sun, which we would never use as a source in this encyclopedia. Please find an alternative. Deb (talk) 09:34, 15 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 10 May 2019

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The result of the move request was: Page moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) -- Dane ^talk 21:44, 17 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Reutlingen knife attack → 2016 Reutlingen knife attack – Per others in category, and per WP:CRITERIA, and a perfect case for WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT. In ictu oculi (talk) 20:31, 10 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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