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Two of the Youtube links I removed were ripped from TV reports and thus obvious copyright infrigements. See Wikipedia:Copyrights #Linking to copyrighted works for why such links should be avoided. If you are certain that this video was uploaded to Youtube by the copyright holder, then it's OK to put it back, but better in an "External links" section than as a reference. See Wikipedia:Video links #References. Generally, it's better to use a textual source (like a written news report) to back up any claims in Wikipedia articles and only use videos as illustrations. — Kpalion^(talk) 20:58, 8 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Still ongoing?

Haven't the riots subsided yet? Shouldn't the first sentence be set to past tense? — Kpalion^(talk) 21:17, 8 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Fans lit flares during the ceremony, and the ceremony was conducted in a peaceful manner

Were flares legal/peaceful?Xx236 (talk) 07:07, 18 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Flares were lit as a sign of respect. They are an integral part of football culture and are lit at almost every match, it was no different if they lighted candles. Abcmaxx (talk) 09:07, 18 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Litting of flares is a crime in Poland.

When people see football culture in a street in Poland they frequently run away to survive. Do you know what ustawka is? Football culture artifacts in Poland

Xx236 (talk) 11:06, 18 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You are confusing ultras with hooligans and that is the most POV sentence on Wikipedia I have ever seen - people do not "run away" when they see supporters and remember that not all media are fair either. Crime or not they were lit peacefully as mark of respect, and not on the street but at the funeral. I do not appreciate ultras being branded as criminal on the basis of 1 newspaper article and the fact you do not like flares, which are, always were, and will be set off at stadiu all around the globe regardless of their legal status, the same way there will always be prostitution, drug-use or homosexual intercourse regardless of their legality in a particular state. Abcmaxx (talk) 16:03, 18 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The use of pirotechnical materials in a crowded place is always a safety hazard. If you're putting other people's lives at risk, you're being either violent or stupid (or, perhaps, both). — Kpalion^(talk) 20:51, 18 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You're kidding right? You realise that flare's primary use is in avalanche kits and as distress signal on life boats. No-ones life was put at risk, no more than lighting a birthday candle. The fans lit flares as they seen it as a fitting send off to their friend and fellow ultra. Making the very presence of flares out of the ordinary in this context or some kind of abnormal occurrence is ill-fitting and highly POV: in (most) fan /ultras circles it is a usual activity that happens every week and part and parcel of support. You can like it or not, but this is not the place to protest it. Abcmaxx (talk) 21:40, 18 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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