Talk:2009 Yambol bus crash

Bus driver's name

I don't speak Bulgarian, but I'm assuming the bus driver's name Gospodin Gospodinov means Mister Mister.. Shouldn't it be Господин Господинов Димитров, (Mister Dimitrov)? Any Bulgarians willing to read the Bulgarian language reference for this? I also assume since the reference to the bus driver's name is in the public comment part of the linked website then this is not a really good source. Ozdaren (talk) 13:28, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

It may be Gospodin [first name] Gospodinov [patronymic] Dimitrov [family name], but that's not because gospodin means "mister". While it does mean "mister" as a common noun, it's certainly a personal name in that case; a personal derived from the word for God, Gospod. The "mister" thing is not at all an issue, and the source I have used has the name as Gospodin Gospodinov. If you can find a source that says it's Gospodin Dimitrov and not Gospodinov, then we can correct that. Todor→Bozhinov 15:03, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Yeah I was guessing Gospodinov was patronymic, the same as Russian. I did a key word search through the link/citation and it came up with Господин Господинов with the name Димитров next to it. I assumed it was linked as there was a Bulgarian word that looked like driver (chauffeur). Ozdaren (talk) 07:29, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Notability?

I don't think this accident is even worthy of an article, this is just a bus accident! In my country we have a bus accident every other day... one dead person per hour... What in the world makes this accident so important? --Againme (talk) 18:37, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

What happen if your mother was a victim in this horrible accident...please tell me...? Hmm...TouLouse (talk) 19:19, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

My mother does not have an article on Wikipedia, she's not notable. So won't be her death. --Againme (talk) 19:29, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

You're joking right?! There is a train crash everyday and yet we have a whole cat with such. How about you go and ask that question on every single of those articles. A day of national mourning is notable by any means, even if the country is small and you don't really care it exists. You know about the study that 1 US American life is worth 5 French lives, 50 Hungarian lives and what 160 Bulgarian? That must be true according to you, no?! Sorry for the harsh tone, but the question dully deserves such treatment. --Laveol ^T 19:16, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

The question is legitimate and I don't care in which country the accident took place (your tone is a personal attack and I'm going to follow this policy for now: Wikipedia:No personal attacks#First offenses and isolated incidents). On the other hand, I had not hear about the category, I'm gonna check it out... Regards --Againme (talk) 19:27, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Againme, my apologies if you found my revert offending, but my opinion has not changed. This disaster's notability is beyond any doubt whatsoever and your arguments are so ridiculous they can hardly be considered anything else but trolling. Please have some respect: such major bus accidents with so many victims are rare, and for countries the size of Bulgaria this is a huge tragedy and the event of the year so far. Todor→Bozhinov 19:42, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Now, that is a proper reason (and answer): such major bus accidents with so many victims are rare, and for countries the size of Bulgaria this is a huge tragedy and the event of the year so far, it has nothing to do with respect. --Againme (talk) 19:45, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

The point was, did this really require an explanation to figure out? Todor→Bozhinov 19:56, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes, this is how it works: usually questions made give you the clue that something needs an explanation... does this really require an explanation to figure out? --Againme (talk) 20:02, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

I kindly ask you not to threaten me with "Administrators" when you were given no reason for this. As, Todor pointed out, your argument was ridiculous. I stand by my own words - you cannot say an accident with 16 victims (16 human beings died) is non-notable. Did you read WP:NOTE and did you check for any coverage before posting here? Not checking the subject does not excuse you especially since you post such ridiculous arguments. Significant coverage is availsable - what do you want - euronews, yahoo, BBC, Reuters? Excuse us for being probably oversensitive for your taste, but what you posted was like some European asking if the Hurricane Katrina is notable or just another storm. Nevermind feelings, the article fullfills every criteria to have its own article. --Laveol ^T 20:07, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Katrina destroyed an entire city. This accident killed less people than the people killed every day in my city in transit accidents. So you don't think this is a personal attack?: the country is small and you don't really care it exists. You know about the study that 1 US American life is worth 5 French lives, 50 Hungarian lives and what 160 Bulgarian? That must be true according to you, no?! --Againme (talk) 20:19, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

And how was it a personal attack? I wanted to point out that while you clearly possess knowledge of some wiki rules, at the same time you evidently do not understand them. Should I take your whole first comment as an attack on me? The fact that you don't care, does not make the accident minor. Coverage is enough and it is a fact you did not bother to do a simple search on the subject before posting: "I don't think this accident is even worthy of an article, this is just a bus accident! In my country we have a bus accident every other day... one dead person per hour... What in the world makes this accident so important?" Notice, it was you that started writing about your country and I just gave you an example: Katrina killed app. 0,0006 % of the US population - does this sound like a big number to you? It doesn't sound like one to me, but you don't see me asking such questions on talkpages. All the major news agencies posted news about this minor crash cause it was unimportant?

Ok, I propose, we stop with this. I hope you're convinced the subject is notable. You got a long enough, substantial and thorough answer. Thank you for the input and, please, try asking more sensible questions next time.--Laveol ^T 20:31, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

You're a bunch of heart bleeding tards. BIG difference between Katrina and something that happens multiple times EVERYDAY around the world. It does deserve news coverage, yes, but an article? No. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.54.188.157 (talk) 04:58, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Hi! I don't think Wikipedia as to be "sensitive". As I said, my mother's death won't be notable. So won't yours, probably. It was a personal attack as per this: Wikipedia:No personal attacks#What is considered to be a personal attack?: Accusations about personal behavior that lack evidence, disparaging an editor is a personal attack regardless of the manner in which it is done. You made it sound like I did not care about those people in the moral sense, because they were from Bulgaria...

I did not make it so. It's a popular media study, actually. Given the media coverage that events like this one get on US media, researchers have come up with this formula which concludes that if you watch the news the life of a single US citizen is worth the lives of 10,000 Namibians. I'll provide you with a link if I find it on the net. --Laveol ^T 20:45, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll find it useful. I think the problem here is that I would tend to think that an encyclopedia has to cover issues in a broader sense... i.e., caring only for 10,000 people, wherever they are Americans or Namibians... But one death sells, so the media publishes it... We don´t have to sell. Generaly, I'm against Wikipedia following the media in coverage or considering media coverage as a criterion of notability... that's maybe because I work in media. Anyway, I guess I'll have to live with Wikipedia not being paper, hehe. Regards to you all. --Againme (talk) 20:50, 29 May 2009 (UTC)\

How about we all assume good faith, because I haven't really seen much of that in the above discussion. A user raised concerns, and someone convinced him of notability; all of the insulting in the interim is shameful. Cheers! Scapler (talk) 22:37, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

I think we've already settled it all. --Laveol ^T 23:41, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Yeahp. --Againme (talk) 17:05, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

17th victim

One more person has died as s result of the crash ([1], [2]). Could someone update the article? --212.36.9.184 (talk) 09:49, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

18th victim

There is one more person who died following the bus crash ([3]). Update the article, please. --88.203.248.175 (talk) 10:52, 7 July 2009 (UTC)