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Serbia

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Wait, if they defeat Macedonia with an extremely high margin, Poland vs Norway ends with a tie, and Denmark defeat Germany with a very high margin, they may still advance, don't they? It's mathemathicly possible. 77.254.186.38 (talk) 21:31, 25 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I would also think so: If Poland-Norway is a draw, Serbia need to beat Macedonia with 21 goals or more to place ahead of Poland. At the same time Denmark need to defeat Germany with 8 goals. If Denmark beats Germany by one goal, Serbia can advance if they beat Macedonia with 29 goals and Poland-Norways is a draw. This according to the rules V. Regulations for IHF Competitions (see 2.2.3.1 World Championships, page 11). Highly unlikely, but possible Coq Rouge (talk) 22:38, 25 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I think you are wrong: According to your link (2.2.4.3):
If two or more teams have gained the same number of points after the group matches have been completed, classification is decided as follows:
  • results in points between the teams concerned
  • goal differences in the matches between the teams concerned
  • greater number of plus goals in the matches between the teams concerned.
Your scenario will leave Germany, Norway, Poland and Serbia all with 5 points. They will all have 3 points in the matches between them, so what will decide is the goal differences in the matches between the teams concerned. In this situation Germany will qualify for the semifinals (+6 goal difference), Poland will be 3rd (+5), Norway 4th (0) and Serbia 5th (-11). Wikijens (talk) 22:58, 25 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, the scenario will not make Serbia advance, because of tie-breaker rule 2.2.4.3
If two or more teams have gained the same number of points after the group matches have been completed, classification is decided as follows:
  • results in points between the teams concerned
  • goal differences in the matches between the teams concerned
  • greater number of plus goals in the matches between the teams concerned
And since all the matches in question are already played (except from the predicted draw between Poland and Norway, which will result in a GDIF=0), the tie-braking table for 2nd place will look like this:
Germany  30 – 23  Poland
Germany  24 – 25  Norway
Germany  35 – 35  Serbia
Norway  26 – 27  Serbia
Poland  35 – 23  Serbia
Poland  ?? – ??  Norway
Team Pld W D L GDIF Points
 Germany 3 1 1 1 +6 3
 Poland 3 1 1 1 +5 3
 Norway 3 1 1 1 0 3
 Serbia 3 1 1 1 –11 3
Germany will advance to the semi-finals along with Denmark! lil2mas (talk) 23:02, 25 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I concede. The disadvantage of not reading all the rules from one end to the other ;-) It would have been far fetched anyway. It would have been a scandal as Macedonia probably would have had to toss the game to loose by as many as 21 goals, not to speak of the 29 needed if Denmark only beat Germany by 1 goal. My hopes are anyway for Denmark to beat Germany, and Norway beating Poland. ;-) Coq Rouge (talk) 23:26, 25 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I understand now. Thanks for clearing it out, guys. Oh, and by the way, I hope Poland to own everyone :D 77.254.181.254 (talk) 13:53, 26 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Ending/medal table

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There should be a table in the end with all the top 10 teams with the gold winner at the top ofcorse. 83.108.234.37 (talk) 23:52, 26 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

As an example from the Chinese olympics 2008:


The top ten ranked NOCs at these Games are listed below. (Host nation is highlighted)

Rank Nation Gold Silver Bronze Total
1  China (CHN) 51 21 28 100
2  United States (USA) 36 38 36 110
3  Russia (RUS) 23 21 28 72
4  Great Britain (GBR) 19 13 15 47
5  Germany (GER) 16 10 15 41
6  Australia (AUS) 14 15 17 46
7  South Korea (KOR) 13 10 8 31
8  Japan (JPN) 9 6 10 25
9  Italy (ITA) 8 10 10 28
10  France (FRA) 7 16 17 40

83.108.234.37 (talk) 23:58, 26 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There is a final ranking, outcommented by this edit.--Anaxagoras13 (talk) 12:56, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

editorialising

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Moustafa averted efficient doping tests reign like a dictator, be directly responsible for manipuation at qualifying games and financially corrupt. Moustafa asked to exclude Mühlematter after his criticism.

That is currently written in the article. Looks like editorialising to me, and it pertains more to the IHF than the championship itself. I suggest editing it out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JosefAssad (talk • contribs) 15:23, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Icons

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The blue/yellow cards thing should be removed. Words would be clear Gnevin (talk) 23:32, 17 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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