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Spencer Ackerman and Paul Kiel. http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/004872.php "TPM's Timeline of the CIA's Torture Tapes" Talking Point Memo / Muckracker. - December 11, 2007. Retrieved December 12, 2007

-- Yellowdesk (talk) 17:26, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Another article

[2] Another recent article on the destruction of the tapes. Remember (talk) 22:16, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Abu Gahraib scandal

This may be nitpicking, but the article says the news about AG broke in 2003. If my memory serves, wasn't the abuse publicly revealed in 2004? --Cormac Canales (talk) 06:17, 23 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Some parts may need to be rewritten or extended according to newer sources. Here are just a few: CIA Destroyed 92 Interrogation Tapes, White House, CIA Lawyers Angry at Tape Destruction, CIA Papers Tell of Interrogation Tapes' Destruction, Why Were CIA Interrogation Tapes Destroyed? Just in case someone has time. IQinn (talk) 01:36, 30 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

2010 section

I added the 2010 section to keep the article up to date with the most recent occurances regarding the topic. It is entirely from an New York Times article written by Mark Mazzetti, who has been covering the story since it broke. —Preceding unsigned comment added by C.rivera11 (talk • contribs) 22:32, 26 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Repaired. Wildbear (talk) 21:23, 12 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Repaired. Wildbear (talk) 21:23, 12 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Creation

Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri was ostensibly the last of the al-Qaeda suspects to be videotaped, as he was waterboarded in Thailand by CIA officers who questioned him. Shortly after, when a prisoner died in CIA custody in Iraq, it was decided that all such interrogations would not be videotaped, as it provided criminal "evidence".^[1]

The tapes were kept in a secure location outside the United States until May 24, 2004 - less than a month after the Abu Ghraib scandal hit public headlines and caused many concern about criminal indictments. Robert Mueller, David Addington, Alberto Gonzales and John Bellinger III met at the White House, and discussed destroying the tapes; although the consensus was that the tapes should not be destroyed, and it was wrong to bring the idea of obstruction of justice "into the White House".^[1]

Mnnlaxer (talk) 20:20, 13 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Investigation

Durham had previously overseen investigations into the FBI's use of mob informants in Boston and was a lead prosecutor in various corruption cases in Connecticut.<ref name="Mazzetti"/> Even though Mukasey described Durham as an outside prosecutor, others have criticized the lack of appointing a special prosecutor to the matter. Congressman John Conyers, Jr., Chairman of the House Judiciary Committees, stated that "While I certainly agree that these matters warrant an immediate criminal investigation, it is disappointing that the Attorney General has stepped outside the Justice Department’s own regulations and declined to appoint a more independent special counsel in this matter. Because of this action, the Congress and the American people will be denied – as they were in the Valerie Plame matter – any final report on the investigation."^[2] Other commentators believed that the appointment of Durham showed that Mukasey was serious about the investigation.^[3]

Mnnlaxer (talk) 18:27, 14 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

2010

In 2010, the C.I.A. released email messages that there were dozens of tapes depicting the abusive interrogation of detainees. According to one document, an internal C.I.A. e-mail message, Porter Goss, the former director of the C.I.A., laughed and said that actually, it would be he, Goss, who would take the heat. The documents detailing those deliberations, including two e-mail messages from a C.I.A. official who was anonymous, were released as part of a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit filed by the American Civil Liberties Union. The e-mail messages also reveal that top White House officials were angry that the C.I.A. had not notified them before the tapes were destroyed. The e-mail messages mention a conversation between Harriet E. Miers, the White House counsel, and John A. Rizzo, the C.I.A.’s top lawyer, in which Ms. Miers was “livid” about being told after the fact.^[4]

Mnnlaxer (talk) 18:42, 14 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ ^a ^b Mayer, Jane, "The Dark Side: The Inside Story of How the War on Terror Turned Into a War on American Ideals", 2008. p. 225 & 292 & 320
^ "Conyers Demands that DOJ Appoint Real Special Counsel". U.S. House of Representatives Committee on the Judiciary. January 2, 2008. Archived from the original on 2008-05-21. Retrieved 2011-06-12.
^ [1] "With his choice of veteran prosecutor John Durham to lead the investigation into Tapegate, Attorney General Michael Mukasey has shown that he takes this matter seriously. And by naming Durham, a bulldog who is more professional than partisan, Mukasey also ensures that the investigation will be ugly and long-lasting."
^ Mazzetti, Mark (2010-04-15). "C.I.A. Document Details Destruction of Tapes". The New York Times.

[mayer-1] Mayer, Jane, "The Dark Side: The Inside Story of How the War on Terror Turned Into a War on American Ideals", 2008. p. 225 & 292 & 320

[2] "Conyers Demands that DOJ Appoint Real Special Counsel". U.S. House of Representatives Committee on the Judiciary. January 2, 2008. Archived from the original on 2008-05-21. Retrieved 2011-06-12.

[3] [1] "With his choice of veteran prosecutor John Durham to lead the investigation into Tapegate, Attorney General Michael Mukasey has shown that he takes this matter seriously. And by naming Durham, a bulldog who is more professional than partisan, Mukasey also ensures that the investigation will be ugly and long-lasting."

[4] Mazzetti, Mark (2010-04-15). "C.I.A. Document Details Destruction of Tapes". The New York Times.

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