Talk:2001 PDC World Darts Championship
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Reviewer: MrLinkinPark333 (talk · contribs) 17:38, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
Hello! It's been awhile since I've reviewed a darts article. Thought I'd review this one to help reduce the sports backlog. If you have any comments/questions, you can leave them here in the review per usual. Depending on how long this takes, I might review some sections per day and not all at once. We'll see.
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Tournament summary[edit]P1[edit]
P2[edit]
Other points[edit]
--MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 20:46, 30 March 2020 (UTC) P3[edit]
--MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 18:59, 30 March 2020 (UTC) Prize fund[edit]
Draw[edit]
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Pictures
[edit]- The link for John Part's picture does not exist anymore, nor can be found in Archive.org / Archive.is. I'm not 100% sure if the picture is indeed licensed properly. Should the picture be deleted from Commons as well?
- Possibly MWright96 (talk) 19:33, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
- Also, I can't verify if that picture is indeed from 2006 as the article is from 2008. If a different picture of Part is available (freely), then that'd be better. Otherwise, I might have to ask somewhere else to determine what to do with this issue as this is a first for me during a GAN. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 20:14, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
- Have deleted the photo from the article since I don't believe it is appropriately licensed MWright96 (talk) 05:42, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
- Also, I can't verify if that picture is indeed from 2006 as the article is from 2008. If a different picture of Part is available (freely), then that'd be better. Otherwise, I might have to ask somewhere else to determine what to do with this issue as this is a first for me during a GAN. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 20:14, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
- Possibly MWright96 (talk) 19:33, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
- Phil Taylor's cropped picture is fine. However, the main picture with the license needs an archived link to show that at the time the picture was on Flickr, it did have this license.
--MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 17:38, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
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[edit]All except John Part's licensing issue is done. Time to review Round 1 onwards --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 19:32, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
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Round 1[edit]Paragraphs 1 and 2[edit]
--MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 20:40, 31 March 2020 (UTC) Paragraph 3[edit]
--MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 01:03, 1 April 2020 (UTC) Paragraph 4[edit]
--MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 01:40, 1 April 2020 (UTC) Round 2[edit]Paragraph 1[edit]
Paragraph 2[edit]
--MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 20:27, 1 April 2020 (UTC) Quarterfinals[edit]Paragraph 1[edit]
--MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 00:24, 4 April 2020 (UTC) Paragraph two[edit]
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Semi-finals
[edit]Paragraph one
[edit]- "three-dart finish average of near to 103" -> three-dart finish average of almost 103 ("of near to" sounds a bit odd, but that could be just me)
- Changed MWright96 (talk) 06:27, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
- "to be the first player through to the final" - need a source to verify this part as RTE doesn't mention it.
- Removed MWright96 (talk) 06:27, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
- "Taylor won the first four sets as Askew won two legs within the first four sets." - bit redundant with "first four sets" being mentioned twice.
- Removed MWright96 (talk) 06:27, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
- "Askew commenced the fifth set with a 126 checkout" - true, but I think an extra source is needed since he's mentioned by his nickname (Diamond) and non-dart readers wouldn't know who Diamond is.
- "After the match, Taylor said he felt he could improve his throw because he was out of trajectory in his throw." - bit redundant mentioning throw twice.
- Changed MWright96 (talk) 06:27, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
- The Taylor quote is a bit excessive in compared to other quotes throughout the article. I suggest trimming it down. Note: see last point.
- Done MWright96 (talk) 06:27, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
- Also, you already mentioned Taylor felt he could improve his form before the quote, so that part could be removed at least in the quote. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 00:24, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
- Removed MWright96 (talk) 06:27, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
- "He commented on Askew's play" - well, Taylor also commented on his own play as well (with the 14 180s / nine darts part). So, if you just want to keep Askew's part only, anything of Taylor's would need trimming. Otherwise, you could rephrase "commented on Askew's play".
- Changed the quotation MWright96 (talk) 19:32, 8 April 2020 (UTC) Note: see next two points.
--MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 19:01, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
- I see. But now, the summarizing before the quote is now redundant with the quote lol! In particular, the two sentences beforehand sound similar to each other as well (improving form/wanting to win the championship). Also, form is mentioned in the quote as well.
- On the other hand, the quoted part was before Taylor stated he wanted to win his ninth title and he felt no one else would take the title. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 20:18, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
- Made further changes to the quote MWright96 (talk) 05:43, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
- "Taylor was considered by a bookmaker as the favourite to win the title the following day" - I don't see any mentions of a bookmaker in the Planet Darts source.
- Removed MWright96 (talk) 18:58, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
- "and did not foresee another player denying him the world title." - already mentioned in the quote so you don't need it via the summary. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 18:38, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
- Removed MWright96 (talk) 18:58, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
Paragraph two
[edit]- "Both players shared the first three sets" - I think "shared" isn't the right word here as three is an odd number. I think another word is needed to describe the wins.
- Changed MWright96 (talk) 06:27, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
- Works in this case as it was a 1-1 score. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 19:12, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
- Changed MWright96 (talk) 06:27, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
- "before Part established a 3–1 advantage after he won the fourth set." - well, Part already had the advantage twice (1-0 and 2-1) so he didn't have an advantage after winning set 4. If you mean he extended his lead, then yes.
- Changed MWright96 (talk) 06:27, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
- " before he won the following two sets that went to five legs each" -> before Part won the following two sets that went to five legs each. Note: see next point.
- Also, Bulls Eye News doesn't state set 6 and 7 took 5 legs each.
- Removed both MWright96 (talk) 06:27, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
- Also, Bulls Eye News doesn't state set 6 and 7 took 5 legs each.
- "before he won the following two sets." - I think it should be clarified that Part won the following two sets, since Harrington won set 5. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 19:12, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
- "before he missed the double 16 ring" - this happened at a different leg (leg 3) than Part's 122 checkout (leg 1). Note: see next point
- Changed MWright96 (talk) 06:27, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
- "Harrington tied the set at 2–2 on the double 20 ring." - Is there a source that mentions leg 2? If not, then I think Harrington's set 4 win needs to be separate for grammar. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 19:12, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
- Separated it for grammar MWright96 (talk) 19:32, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
- "This required a player to win the match by two legs" - true, but I think this should be mentioned it was in a tiebreaker. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 00:24, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
- Changed MWright96 (talk) 06:27, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
- I see this is still the same. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 19:12, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
- I need an vision test lol. Have now changed MWright96 (talk) 19:32, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
- Nah! No worries :) --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 20:11, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
- I need an vision test lol. Have now changed MWright96 (talk) 19:32, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
- I see this is still the same. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 19:12, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
- Changed MWright96 (talk) 06:27, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
Final
[edit]Paragraph one / two
[edit]- "He had previously won the world championship eight times (in 1990, 1992, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999 and 2000)" - I think the bracketed part should be rewritten for Taylor in order to remove the brackets and avoid sounding like a side-note.
- "A finish in fourteen darts won Taylor the first set 3–1." => Taylor won the first set 3-1 with a finish of fourteen darts.
- "He then took the second set and prevented Part from attempting to win a leg with a dart landing inside a double ring." - sorta. Planet Darts does say Part didn't get a chance with the double ring, but it wasn't an attempt for Part to win a leg. Note: see next point
- Reworded MWright96 (talk) 06:12, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
- " and stopping Part from getting a chance to hit a double ring" -> and stopped Part from getting a chance to hit a double ring --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 19:24, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
- Reworded MWright96 (talk) 06:12, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
- "Taylor compiled the tournament's highest checkout, a 167 in ten dart throws," - I'm not sure if the 10 dart finish and 167 checkout were in the same leg per The Indepednent (Taylor takes game to new level). PlanetDarts also mentiones the 10 dart finish was in the fifth set, not third. So, if you want to keep this, it'd have to be reordered for chronlogical puproses.
- Reworded MWright96 (talk) 06:12, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
- "and won the set after Part missed the bullseye ring in the leg prior." - true, but this would need to be reordered as Part's missed bullseye happened in leg one, Taylor hit the 167 checkout in leg 2, then Taylor won the set in leg 3.
- Reworded MWright96 (talk) 06:12, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
- "Part was unable to convert seven chances to land a dart in one of the double rings." - also true, but since BBC Sport (Faultless Taylor) mentiones this was up to set four, this sentence would need to be re-ordered with
- Reworded MWright96 (talk) 06:12, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
- I see you removed it. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 19:24, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
- Reworded MWright96 (talk) 06:12, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
" He then won six successive legs to go 5–0 ahead with a finish of ten dart throws and an 82 checkout" as Taylor's ten dart finish/82 checkout happened in set 5.
- "by winning the set 3–1 and the tournament." - need a source to show the final set was 3-1 BBC Sport (Faultless Taylor) only mentions that Part won one set, but not how many Taylor won.
- Added extra source MWright96 (talk) 06:12, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
--MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 19:53, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
Paragraph three
[edit]- "Part said Taylor was a deserved champion:" - This one is odd as the colon suggests the "deserved champion" part is introducing the quoted part, but it's to a different reference (Faultless Taylor BBC Sport vs. Taylor takes final adversary The Times). If you want the deserved champion part, it'd have to be separate from the quoted part and not a colon. Note: see next point
- Done MWright96 (talk)
- After reading BBC Sport, I don't see this part. The closest I see is "He beat me thoroughly", but that's not a synonym of deserved. A slight reword is needed. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 19:28, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
- Reworded MWright96 (talk) 19:51, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
- After reading BBC Sport, I don't see this part. The closest I see is "He beat me thoroughly", but that's not a synonym of deserved. A slight reword is needed. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 19:28, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
- Done MWright96 (talk)
- "Playing Phil is completely oppressive, take Tiger Woods and double it,...It was a special performance, unreal, and I just couldn't measure up." - none of this quote is in the Taylor takes final adversary apart source. I see part of it mentioned in the Faultless Taylor source, but not all of it. Note: see next point
- Used another source MWright96 (talk) 06:12, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
- Nice find! I think you should also include that quote was by Part as well. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 19:28, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
- Added that mention MWright96 (talk) 19:51, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
- Nice find! I think you should also include that quote was by Part as well. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 19:28, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
- Used another source MWright96 (talk) 06:12, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
Lead/infobox
[edit]- "and the eighth time it took place at the Circus Tavern." - not mentioned in the background section.
- I see you removed it. Didn't realize you did XD --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 19:31, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
- "Taylor also achieved a 167 checkout, the highest of the competition, in the second leg of the third set of the final against Part." - this is a bit wordy. I suggest either breaking into 2 sentences or reducing the wording. Note: see next point
- I see you trimmed it, but "in the second leg of the third set of the final against Part" still sounds wordy with "in the second leg of the third set of the final". --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 19:31, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
- Removed the mention of the exact leg MWright96 (talk) 19:33, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
- Sounds better now. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 19:35, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
- Removed the mention of the exact leg MWright96 (talk) 19:33, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
- I see you trimmed it, but "in the second leg of the third set of the final against Part" still sounds wordy with "in the second leg of the third set of the final". --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 19:31, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
- no issue with infobox
--MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 19:58, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
Leftover points
[edit]As i feel that this review will be long, I'll leave the leftover points here in case they were not fully fixed the first time around:
- Round 1: missing comma in Askew's match , replacing points per dart with average for Burnett (my mistake, not yours) , extra source to verify 3-1 final score for Lim , comma for Scholten's match
--MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 19:46, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
Overall
[edit]Overall, the main issue is grammar whether it being tenses, commas or sentence structure. For other issues: there are instances of OR (e.g., the Tiger Woods quote by Part not existing in the reference), question of whether the John Part picture is properly licensed or not (as I can't access an archived copy of the link in the Commons page), and making sure that the Steve Brown reference does pass WP:Primary as he was a competitor at the tournament for reliability. There was an issue of neturality ("Deller was not able to challenge Taylor") and focus (mentioning that Lloyd won the 1999 Eastbourne Open) but both have been resolved already. As most of the article has been worked on while I was reviewing the article, I'm willing to place this article on hold for a week. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 20:21, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
Otherwise, article has a ref layout, MOS is good for lead, layout and words to watch, is broad, stable, and has relevant pics.
Note: I've left a talk page message to the uploader of the John Part picture here. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 01:21, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
- @MWright96: I see you removed the Part picture. If the licensing does get confirmed, you could restore the picture at a later date. But for now, everything has been done. I'll be promoting this. Well done! --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 22:28, 9 April 2020 (UTC)