Talk:1997 Spring Creek flood

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Review: May 3, 2024. (Reviewed version).

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A fact from 1997 Spring Creek flood appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 4 March 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that during the 1997 Spring Creek flood, a railroad embankment suppressing 8,250 cubic feet (234 m³) of water per second overflowed, causing a train to derail?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2024/March. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/1997 Spring Creek flood.

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Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 00:42, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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ALT0: ... that during the 1997 Spring Creek flood, a railroad embankment suppressed 8,250 cubic feet (234 m³) of water per second, which also caused a train to derail? Source: KUNC
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Anjali Lama
- Comment: ~~QPQ coming soon.~~

Created by Tails Wx (talk). Self-nominated at 03:28, 25 January 2024 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/1997 Spring Creek flood; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

Cited:
Interesting:
Other problems: - the hook is difficult to follow. As it reads now, it sounds like the embankment caused the derailment, not its overflowing; and it is a little technical. It's hard to picture how much water is 8,250 cubic feet. I'd like to suggest:

ALT1: ...that the 1997 Spring Creek flood caused five deaths and over $250 million in damages, including a train derailment?

ALT2: ...that the 1997 Spring Creek flood is the worst natural disaster in the history of Fort Collins, Colorado?

QPQ: Done.

Overall: @Tails Wx: Nice work and great research skills. Well-sourced and nicely written, Earwig clear, QPQ done and already went to main page. Couple minor article tweaks (which I'll pick on because I see it's also up for GAN): both url and archive-url for footnote 3 (USGS) are broken (and access date should be updated). Wohl 2009 and Ogden et al. 2000 need a via parameter crediting the databases they were retrieved from. Other than that, just let me know your thoughts on the hook and we can proceed. – T C Memoire 22:02, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your review, TCMemoire! I've fixed your concerns noted above here and here. Unfortunately, I don't think the hooks you proposed above are interesting enough, though if my proposed hooks below don't seem interesting to you, I'm happy to go with ALT2 since it's mildly interesting (and if going with ALT2, I think Fort Collins, Colorado should be wikilinked). How about ALT3 and ALT4:

ALT3: ...that heavy rainfall associated with the 1997 Spring Creek flood were the heaviest in a Colorado urban area?
ALT4: ...that the Community Collaborative Rain, Hail and Snow Network was created following the 1997 Spring Creek flood?

~ Tails Wx (🐾, me!) 00:37, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Tails Wx: Now that I've sat with it, ALT0 has grown on me. Sorry for the runaround. However, I think we should just clarify the overrunning of the embankment:

ALT0.5: ... that during the 1997 Spring Creek flood, a railroad embankment suppressing 8,250 cubic feet (234 m³) of water per second overflowed, causing a train to derail? – T C Memoire 10:54, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

TCMemoire, no worries! And I think your hook (ALT 0.5) is good to me! :) ~ Tails Wx (🐾, me!) 13:24, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Great! ALT0.5 approved for DYK. – T C Memoire 14:00, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

Passed. Riley1012 (talk) 16:54, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

This review is transcluded from Talk:1997 Spring Creek flood/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: Tails Wx (talk · contribs) 03:30, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: Riley1012 (talk · contribs) 19:31, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I will complete an initial review by the end of this week. -Riley1012 (talk) 19:31, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV ()

3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant ()

Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

1. Well-written

The flood is the worst natural disaster to impact the Fort Collins, Colorado area. There should be a comma after Colorado.

This is the only prose error I found, and this article follows WP:MOS. Well done!

2. Verifiable
Copyvio check passed. This article uses reliable sources and follows the proper reference layout. No unsourced facts.

Spot check:
No issue: 4, 7, 12, 13, 17, 18, 23

3. Broad
The article is short but fully covers the event.

4. Neutral
The article is neutral.

5. Stable
This article is stable day-to-day, no edit warring.

6. Illustrated
The image in the article is free and has a relevant caption.

@Tails Wx: I'll go ahead and add the comma and pass as a GA, since that is the only issue I found :). Good job on this article! -Riley1012 (talk) 16:51, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.