Talk:1971 Gosser Ridge tornado

Requested move 13 May 2023

1971 Gosser Ridge, Kentucky, tornado → 1971 Gosser Ridge, Kentucky tornado – The page was moved to its current title (1971 Gosser Ridge, Kentucky, tornado) based on MOS:GEOCOMMA. However, MOS:GEOCOMMA is about sentence structure, not titles. Having the current title seems unnatural and almost like a fragmented run-on sentence as there is two commas in a 5 word title. A move back to the old title (1971 Gosser Ridge, Kentucky tornado), without a comment between Kentucky and tornado, would be more natural and grammatically correct for a title. Elijahandskip (talk) 00:41, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose There's already been two discussion about MOS:GEOCOMMA, located here and here. Sure, MOS:GEOCOMMA is about sentences, but there is nothing saying it doesn't apply to titles. I moved the article based of off @Thrakkx moving many tornadoes articles most shown here. If you think that MOS:GEOCOMMA shouldn't apply to titles, start a discussion or contact Thrakkx again. Infinity (talk - contributions) 01:09, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

One editor (specially Thrakkx) doesn't have the authority to individually interpret what MOS:GEOCOMMA does or does not mean. So, in following exactly what you said, I did "start a discussion" that will hopefully attract more users to this. If you read both discussions linked, (1) Thrakkx said a comment and got a "thanks" from another user and in the second one (2), it was only myself and Thrakkx in the discussion. Basically no one else commented, this discussion can help decide what MOS:GEOCOMMA means in regards to titles with state followed by tornado. Have a good day! Elijahandskip (talk) 01:15, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose WP policy doesnt even need to come into play here. This is literally a grammar rule. If a city and state are mentioned and words follow after the state name, commas surround the state on both sides. This shouldn't even be a discussion.

Noah^Talk 01:49, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

It's a title, not a sentence. Saying 1971 Gosser Ridge (pause) Kentucky (pause) tornado is not natural for a title. In a sentence, sure. Title, no. Elijahandskip (talk) 01:59, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Grammar doesnt apply to just sentences. Titles are subject to the exact same comma rules whether you like it or not. Noah^Talk 02:01, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia doesn't adhere to correct grammatical titles though with Wikipedia:Naming conventions (capitalization). Grammatically speaking, only adjectives and prepositional starts shouldn't be capitalized. Grammatically speaking (assuming the comma/current name is correct, which I do not believe it is), it would be 1971 Gosser Ridge, Kentucky, Tornado. University of Barcelona even confirms that would be the grammatically correct process. So saying titles are subject to the same grammatical rules is fully incorrect. I would argue that titles on Wikipedia are exempt from grammatical rules due to an already stated grammatically incorrect article title process. Elijahandskip (talk) 02:10, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

WP doesnt adhere to title case (sometimes called news case), but your assumption of tossing out the rest of the grammar rules is unfounded. I suggest you withdraw this since MOS:AT states "Subject both to the above and to Wikipedia:Article titles, the rest of the MoS, particularly § Punctuation, applies also to the title." Noah^Talk 02:17, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

@Elijahandskip: it's not a common convention to pause after a parenthetical comma when reading. It's not even a common convention to pause on the comma between a city and state. Thrakkx (talk) 21:35, 13 May 2023 (UTC)