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A fact from 1940 NFL All-Star Game (January) appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 12 July 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the Green Bay Packers once defeated a team of all-stars chosen from the rest of the league?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2024/July. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/1940 NFL All-Star Game (January).

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Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by Rjjiii talk 13:28, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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... that all of the players on the Green Bay Packers were selected for the 1940 NFL All-Star Game?

Source: PFR.com

Reviewed: Traverse (climbing)

5x expanded by Gonzo fan2007 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 45 past nominations.

« Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 21:33, 11 June 2024 (UTC).[reply]

As a Lions fan, am I allowed to just reject this outright? (kidding) Article is new enough, long enough, and well sourced. Earwig appears to be down, but a spot check of sources showed no issues. QPQ done. Hook is interesting, but I worry that in going for "hookiness" it might go too far towards being misleading. The Packers were one of the teams in the game, but is that the same as the players being "selected" for the game, as those for the actual all-star team were? What about wording it something closer to

ALT1: ... that the entire Green Bay Packers team was chosen to play in the 1940 NFL All-Star Game?

@Gonzo fan2007: What do you think of this? It's still "hooky" while hewing a little closer to fact, in my opinion. But despite my joke earlier, I'm not deliberately trying to be difficult and am open to other suggestions. DrOrinScrivello (talk) 23:27, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

DrOrinScrivello, that actually was going to be my original hook, but then I questioned whether "played" was factually correct. There aren't a lot of great sources for an 84 year old game, and I can't be certain that every player actually "played" (there were at least 2 injuries for Packers players noted before the game). "Select" is kind of the word used by the NFL for being chosen to the Pro Bowl and is consistent with List of Green Bay Packers Pro Bowl selections. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 23:33, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

All that to say I don't really mind either ALT if you think ALT1 is fine. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 23:36, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that "select" is what you usually expect to see in most Pro Bowl situations, but it seems to me that on this particular occasion the players themselves weren't "selected" per se. Maybe a way to get around the "play" issue would be to say,

ALT1b: ... that the entire Green Bay Packers team was chosen to compete in the 1940 NFL All-Star Game?

I think this is mostly hair splitting, though, and would not argue if the promoter choses any of the three options. Assuming my suggestions didn't alter the original enough for this to be considered approving my own hook (in which case I'm fine with another reviewer being requested), I think this is good to go. DrOrinScrivello (talk) 23:53, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unpromoted per WT:DYK.— Preceding unsigned comment added by RoySmith (talk • contribs) 14:06, June 18, 2024 (UTC)

ALT2: ... that the Green Bay Packers once defeated a team of all-stars chosen from the rest of the league? DrOrinScrivello, are you satisfied with this hook? « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 13:56, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I am. I know it's not quite what you wanted, but I think this is still an interesting hook and at least your good work on the article will still get featured. ALT2 is good to go. DrOrinScrivello (talk) 14:20, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RoySmith, I'm having a hard time finding why this was pulled? Valereee (talk) 16:23, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Valereee: The relevant discussion is here - it boils down to a debate about whether saying the entire Green Bay Packers team was "selected" for the all-star game was misleading or not, since the team's players earned their place in the game by virtue of being the previous season's champions, not by being chosen individually, as all-star teams usually are. The ALT2 hook was a compromise that was suggested in that thread and approved here after the hook was pulled. Hope that helps. DrOrinScrivello (talk) 16:51, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@DrOrinScrivello, thank you, that answers my question! Valereee (talk) 16:52, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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Nominator: Gonzo fan2007 (talk · contribs) 16:00, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: Wizardman (talk · contribs) 02:28, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'll give this a review sometime in the next few days. Wizardman 02:28, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Source/image review: Both images look good and fit in the article. I wasn't sold on the Los Angeles Daily news pieces being public domain until I learned of a second one that folded in the 1950s (which is what the pic is from), so there would've been no one to renew any of the copyrights so those are okay. All of the sources are reliable and seem to fit the article as well. Prose review to follow. Wizardman 19:13, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Here's the prose issues I found:

"Ernie Smith kicked another field, his second of the game," missing goal, but I just fixed it myself.
Maybe I'm just nitpicking, but is there a reason the starters and reserves tables are in two different formats?

After two read-throughs that was all I found. The table thing is minor enough that I don't see a reason to put this on hold, so as a result I'm going to pass the article. Wizardman 19:21, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]