Talk:1916 Warsaw City Council election

Electoral districts

(copying conversation from WP:RDH for reference), I struggle to get hold of the mapping of the electoral districts (which would be super interesting, as it would allow to give a snapshot of the economic and ethnic structure of the city at the time). Basically I have 3 references:

• Goniec Poranny. 1916, no 317 p. 1 - June 27, 1916 - here there is a listing of the distribution of voters of Curia I, II, IV, V, VI across 52 electoral districts. Curia III doesn't seem to be divided by districts. But the number of Curia III voters match the later election results coverage.

Putting these numbers into a table, it looks like this (notably some totals don't add up):

Registered voters in Curia I, II, IV, V, VI by electoral district

District (Okrąg) Curia I Curia II Curia IV Curia V Curia VI Total of all 5 Curias Total as stated in Goniec Poranny Difference between totals 1 95 15 54 104 1425 1693 1694 -1 2 14 101 294 270 1363 2042 2169 -127 3 52 20 107 32 597 808 808 0 4 106 1 230 40 1335 1712 1712 0 5 73 24 355 102 1208 1762 1762 0 6 74 12 464 188 1477 2215 2215 0 7 95 16 312 123 1226 1772 1772 0 8 113 36 460 224 1546 2379 2379 0 9 58 7 139 12 801 1017 1017 0 10 94 56 1225 397 835 2607 2607 0 11 67 17 783 151 854 1872 1862 10 12 89 18 872 232 950 2161 2161 0 13 88 24 657 252 1683 2704 2704 0 14 34 1 99 16 848 998 998 0 15 52 4 233 74 976 1339 1335 4 16 44 3 124 20 917 1108 1108 0 17 117 12 281 133 1620 2163 2163 0 18 112 7 369 126 1276 1890 1890 0 19 69 5 214 42 999 1329 1329 0 20 146 21 508 227 1543 2445 2445 0 21 46 11 604 81 1084 1826 1826 0 22 85 12 379 53 1340 1869 1869 0 23 63 3 178 31 1043 1318 1318 0 24 109 49 669 244 1231 2302 2302 0 25 152 35 455 273 1508 2423 2423 0 26 132 42 411 209 1514 2308 2308 0 27 164 29 131 274 813 1411 1411 0 28 38 1 153 15 946 1153 1153 0 29 113 47 227 183 671 1241 1241 0 30 146 67 309 224 704 1450 1450 0 31 117 18 249 153 1314 1851 1851 0 32 157 47 334 388 1048 1974 1974 0 33 192 24 387 227 1194 2024 2024 0 34 89 81 226 130 521 1047 1047 0 35 151 65 536 157 1241 2150 2150 0 36 194 40 359 291 1295 2179 2169 10 37 150 40 268 268 853 1579 1579 0 38 27 4 75 23 623 752 752 0 39 102 2 223 44 1113 1484 1384 100 40 157 7 216 45 1070 1495 1495 0 41 110 10 481 84 1194 1879 2179 -300 42 73 1 63 10 489 636 636 0 43 186 6 350 1 1370 1913 1913 0 44 93 3 93 1 152 342 341 1 45 119 0 55 0 262 436 436 0 46 65 0 64 0 250 379 379 0 47 214 4 95 0 431 744 744 0 48 140 4 119 1 566 830 830 0 49 123 0 125 0 508 756 756 0 50 149 0 143 0 293 585 585 0 51 127 0 98 0 112 337 437 -100 52 172 1 88 0 325 586 586 0 Total of the 52 districts above 5547 1053 15943 6175 50557 79275 79678 -403 Total as stated in Goniec Poranny 5674 1283 16050 5794 51077 79878 79878 Difference between totals -220 -233 -200 380 -672 -945 -541

• Then we have Wybory do rady miejskiej in Kurjer Warszawski, July 16, 1916. p. 4, giving a district by district result of the vote in Curia VI. Notably there was no election in Curia I, II, IV, V as there has been a consensus pact of all parties on a single slate. So it was only in Curia III (Intellectuals, where no geographic division was made, rather the curia was divided into groups that all voted in same location July 10 or 11 or 12) and Curia VI (general population, i.e. the working class) where an election was held. Kurjer Warszawski gives result in 54 electoral districts. There seem to be some correlation with the list from Goniec Poranny, but the 2 lists are not matching.

(OUTDATED TABLE REMOVED)

• Then we have this ordinance and as well as this, that instructs where and when Curia VI voters are supposed to vote. But the number of districts is far smaller than in the 2 tables above and doesn't seem to cover even all commissariats. The latter ordinance links commissariats to electoral districts, seems they are the old pre-commissariats mentioned as 1908-1916 on pl.wiki (https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Podzia%C5%82_administracyjny_Warszawy).

Is there any source or anything that could link up the electoral districts with a map, a listing of addresses or at least a clear division of electoral districts per commissariats? Any input that would help putting pieces together would be appreciated. -- Soman (talk) 21:34, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

I posted a thread at WP:RDL as well, trying to extract detail from a snippet in Der Moment (File:Wahl_bezirk_der_moment_13_July_1916.png). I think it clarifies that there were 7 Electoral Districts (Stimmbezirk, okręg wyborczy, Wahl-Rayon), and 52 Electoral Bureaus (Okrag, Wahl-Byuro). It still doesn't quite match the voting result still but at least a bit of context. --Soman (talk) 12:08, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Przegląd Wieczorny. 1916, № 194 pinpoints some of the Electoral Bureaus;

• Okrag 2 - Mazowiecka 12
• Okrag 4 - Freta 10
• Okrag 5 - Podwale 50
• Okrag 6-a - Przejazd 5
• Okrag 10 - Dzika 12
• Okrag 11 - Gesia 20
• Okrag 12 - Muranowska 34
• Okrag 13 - Nowokarmelicka 7
• Okrag 13-a - Nowokarmelicka 7
• Okrag 24 - Stawki 24
• Okrag 30 - Śtokrzyska 27
• Okrag 34 - Kotzebue 10
• Okrag 32 - Nowogrodzka 41
• Okrag 35 - Nowo-Miodowa 2
• Okrag 36 - Krucza 31
• Okrag 37 - Nowy Swiat 2

--Soman (talk) 14:44, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

https://crispa.uw.edu.pl/object/files/152168/display/Default has some additional addresses Soman (talk) 15:02, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

So... I think I got it now, looking at File:Poster_Wahlen_Bekanntmachung_fur_die_Wahler_der_Kurie_VI_Warsaw_6_July_1916.png. There were 52 electoral circuits (some split in 2), but in 7 circuits (6, 8, 13, 17, 20, 25, 26) voters were instructed to vote by the letter of their last name. Presumably in all other 45 circuits voters could vote at any time in a single bureau. --Soman (talk) 15:16, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Yet more, with more precise detail for okrag 35-52, at https://crispa.uw.edu.pl/object/files/9113/display/JPEG --Soman (talk) 15:45, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

https://crispa.uw.edu.pl/object/files/7608/display/Default has the full detail for okrag 22-34 --Soman (talk) 15:54, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

https://crispa.uw.edu.pl/object/files/2902/display/Default has the full detail for 15-21 --Soman (talk) 17:05, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

https://crispa.uw.edu.pl/object/files/2902/display/Default has the full detail for 1-14 --Soman (talk) 17:16, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

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Decree calling on Warsaw residents to register to vote in the 1916 City Council polls

• ... that no voting was held in four out of six curiae in the 1916 Warsaw City Council election (voter registry appeal pictured), as the Polish and Jewish parties had agreed on a single joint candidate slate? Source: Wybory do rady miejskiej, in Kurjer Warszawski, July 5, 1916. pp. 1-2
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Soman (talk) 12:29, 12 April 2024 (UTC).

• I don't have access to that source, nor would I be able to read it, but the hook is good, and the article is in decent condition, no copyvio or glaring issues that I see. I would only recommend wiki-linking curiae, as I have never heard that term used like that before. QPQs check out. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 06:17, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
  • Thanks, I added link to curiae in the hook. --Soman (talk) 10:16, 14 April 2024 (UTC)