Talk:1872 Londonderry City by-election

A fact from 1872 Londonderry City by-election appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 24 September 2020 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the 1872 Londonderry City by-election was the first parliamentary election held by secret ballot in Ireland?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2020/September. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/1872 Londonderry City by-election.

Wikipedia

Ireland Low‑importance

	Ireland portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Ireland, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Ireland on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.IrelandWikipedia:WikiProject IrelandTemplate:WikiProject IrelandIreland articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Elections and Referendums

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Elections and Referendums, an ongoing effort to improve the quality of, expand upon and create new articles relating to elections, electoral reform and other aspects of democratic decision-making. For more information, visit our project page.Elections and ReferendumsWikipedia:WikiProject Elections and ReferendumsTemplate:WikiProject Elections and ReferendumsElections and Referendums articles

Politics of the United Kingdom Low‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Politics of the United Kingdom, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Politics of the United Kingdom on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Politics of the United KingdomWikipedia:WikiProject Politics of the United KingdomTemplate:WikiProject Politics of the United KingdomPolitics of the United Kingdom articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Northern Ireland Low‑importance

	Northern Ireland portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Northern Ireland, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Northern Ireland on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Northern IrelandWikipedia:WikiProject Northern IrelandTemplate:WikiProject Northern IrelandNorthern Ireland-related articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

This article was created or improved during the "The 20,000 Challenge: UK and Ireland", which started on 20 August 2016 and is still open. You can help!

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 20:34, 20 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(

Comment or view
Article history

)

... that the 1872 Londonderry City by-election was the first parliamentary election in Ireland to be held under a secret ballot? "it was the paramount issue in a by-election in Derry in 1872 and it was in this election, the first held in Ireland under the secret ballot" from: Thompson, Frank (2013). The End of Liberal Ulster: Land Agitation and Land Reform, 1868-1886. Ulster Historical Foundation. p. 74. ISBN 978-1-903688-06-9.

Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Kathleen Byerly
Comment: I found this article as a two-sentence stub in dire need of improvement. No wanting to get caught up in the recent "Londonderry affair", I am happy if the main page appearance of this one needs to be delayed a bit. If it is delayed 23 November might be a good date, for the anniversary.

5x expanded by Dumelow (talk). Self-nominated at 13:02, 14 September 2020 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: I can't see any reference to a secret ballot act in page 74 of the given source. Gatoclass (talk) 12:10, 15 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Gatoclass, I've added a new source to reference the Ballot Act introducing the secret ballot in 1872. Quote: "Ballot Act 1872 (introducing the secret ballot)" - Dumelow (talk) 13:16, 15 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Dumelow, I can AGF on the new reference, but what I don't understand is why you have left the original cite there when it doesn't support the hook. Also, you have used the same reference for the whole of the first paragraph in the "Candidates" section, yet I see no correlation between that paragraph and the given page in the source. Are you sure you have the right page number for this cite? Gatoclass (talk) 13:48, 15 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Gatoclass, sorry I was speaking at cross purposes. I thought you wanted a ref that the Ballot Act 1872 introduced the secret ballot which I have no added. I see now I had put the wrong page numbers for Thompson. I've now corrected these in the article, they should have been page 143 and 144, not 74 and 75. Sorry! - Dumelow (talk) 13:56, 15 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, now we're both on the same page - both metaphorically and literally :) - verified. Gatoclass (talk) 14:13, 15 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]