Talk:.yu

Separation of Serbia and Montenegro

What's going to happen with the seperation of Serbia and Montenegro? Is this domain still going to be used?—♦♦ SʘʘTHING^(Я) 18:19, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

It would be reasonable to expect for each Serbia and Montenegro to be assigned their own top-level domains, which they will then switch to. .yu might be phased out in a decade or so, but like .su, it might continue to exist as more of a collector's item. --Joy [shallot] 21:16, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

The CIA World Factbook seems to believe that .yu will 'remain in service' until the end of the year. I went to Google and plugged in site:.yu and found 13.1M results. I'm not sure how many of these are current, but that's a lot of sites to have to sort though (I guess to see if they are from Serbia, Montenegro, or thoughtout the former Yugoslavia) and un-register. I could see a freeze on new registrations by the end of the year. However I do think it will be a while before .yu is gone and .me and .rs takes over. - Thanks, Hoshie 11:07, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Has IANA (that is, ICANN) said that it intends to assign .rs? I imagine they'll be reluctant to do so, because they know they'll never get rid of .yu, so Serbia will effectively have two top-level domains (even if registrations for .yu are frozen). It was presumably for this reason that they didn't assign .cs to Serbia and Montenegro. There's no problem with .me, of course, as Montenegro is not the successor state. --Zundark 13:12, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

So "they know they'll never get rid of .yu" but "There's no problem with .me, of course"? That's a rather self-centred thing to say! --66.102.80.212 21:09, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

I agree with the above user...maybe this is the wrong place for this, but no one else finds it amusing that these people's websites must now change from .yu to .me? Maybe it's just me. Metalboy5150 (talk) 08:30, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

.cg.yu

This is mainly for Nikola Smolenski, but i wanted to make the debate public. .cg.yu, is a domain name registered by a montenegrin ISP (T-com branch). They give away free something.cg.yu subdomain to THEIR customers. In that way, cg.yu is not a "de facto" montenegring domain or anything... It is just a smart marketing move by T-com. If we want to write about possible political implications or what not, we are better to find some sources. The fact remains — some of their customers opt no to register a domain but use a subdomain instead. That's it. --★čabrilo★ 09:22, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

List under "Phaseout"

Should this domain be listed under the 'phaseout' heading in the template at the bottom of the page? If so, could someone do that (since I won't be coming back to this page again)? (Template:CcTLD) DonkeyKong64 (Mathematician in training) 17:59, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

That will have to wait until IANA (ICANN) finally assigns name servers to the new domains (.rs and .me). --Joy [shallot] 22:02, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Incorrect information

I beleive the following line is incorrect

The code YU was replaced by CS in July 2003 following the official change of FR Yugoslavia to Serbia and Montenegro in February 2003

YU was not replaced by CS as Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia are not nor were not ever the same country - if you look at the .CS domain definition you will see it is for Czechoslovakia and was split into CZ and SK —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.231.85.5 (talk • contribs).

You are confusing ISO 3166 codes with TLDs. The ISO 3166 code YU was replaced by CS, but the TLD .yu was not replaced. CS was the code for Czechoslovakia and (later) Serbia and Montenegro, but .cs has never been the TLD for any country other than Czechoslovakia (and was deleted years ago). --Zundark 07:39, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

What happens with .yu in 2009/2010?

I'm confused, is this article stating anything about its use after 2009? Will it become a gTLD? The article is somewhat unclear, or is it unkown? I didn't find anything about it. --Dan Leveille^TALK 07:52, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't believe so, the country code it relates to is retired so the ccTLD will simply be retired as well. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 00:39, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

If they are really switching off .yu in about a week's time, they are a bit premature. I still have friends e-mailing me from .yu addresses! Loads of people are suddenly going to find they cannot contact friends or family. 10 years would be a more sensible option. 82.152.217.203 (talk) 07:37, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Talk pages are not a general discussion forum. Wikipedia articles document facts, they do not change them. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 19:52, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

NB: Announcement: TERMINATION OF . YU INTERNET DOMAIN --Joy [shallot] (talk) 19:59, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Is the .YU top level domain really gone? Then who is still using it?

Absentmindedly watching the network traffic fly through one of my machines today, and last night, and I kept seeing this highly unfamiliar domain: .YU

And according to WP, it belonged to Yugoslavia until recently, and "closed" in March of this year, returning a "not found" message on the IANA site search facility. But there are two peers connecting to me here in Seattle between 9 PM PST last night, and just now (about 12:40PM PST 11/19/10). Maybe not so surprising, since things are far from politically/socially settled with any finality in the former Yugoslavia, and parts thereof (Serbia, Montenegro, etc.) Hey, there are still quite a few .SU addresses in use (strangely, since the USSR dissolved before the public internet as such even came into being), I see them at least once or twice a week. Maybe this is part of the confusion and scarcity of IP/DN that has led to the (veeery slow) adoption of IPv6? Still, pretty weird that active TLDs are not at least footnoted on IANA's web site. . . .Googlyelmo (talk) 21:00, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

You'd have to clarify exactly in which part of network traffic you saw '.YU'. Just because that string appears somewhere that doesn't mean the actual DNS domain is still live. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 23:05, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Dead link

During several automated bot runs the following external link was found to be unavailable. Please check if the link is in fact down and fix or remove it in that case!

• http://www.iana.org/root-whois/yu.htm
  • In .yu on 2011-05-20 22:33:34, 404 NOT FOUND
  • In .yu on 2011-05-31 15:17:35, 404 NOT FOUND

--JeffGBot (talk) 15:17, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Wild claim about University of Belgrade break-in

Yesterday a post on every.to appeared making some claims regarding the .io ccTLD which got a certain amount of attention on social media. It includes this claim about a break-in at the University of Belgrade and cites an article on thedial.world:

According to the journalist Kaloyan Kolev, Slovenian academics traveled to Serbia at the end of 1992. Their destination was the University of Belgrade in the country’s capital. On arrival, they broke into the university and stole all the hosting software and domain records for the .yu top-level domain—everything they needed to seize control. For the next two years, the .yu domain was unofficially operated by ARNES (Academic and Research Network of Slovenia), which repeatedly denied its involvement in the original heist. ARNES rejected all requests by Serbian institutions for new domains, severely limiting the country’s ability to participate in the growing internet community. The situation became so messy that, in 1994, IANA founding manager Jon Postel personally stepped in and overrode IANA regulations, forcibly transferring ownership of the .yu domain back to the University of Belgrade.

I have read Kaloyan Kolev's article on thedial.world and I cannot find the claim that Slovenian academics traveled to Serbia and broke into the University of Belgrade. In fact, it contains a different claim, that the lab being broken into was located in Slovenia, not Belgrade:

The story of .yu begins in 1989, when computer scientist Borka Jerman-Blažič and her team in Ljubljana began their multi-year endeavor to connect Yugoslavia to the internet. At the time, the question of which communication protocol would result in the best computer networks was the subject of fierce debate among computer engineers. On one side were the proponents of the internet, who championed a decentralized approach focused on practical connectivity and collaboration: “We reject: kings, presidents, and voting. We believe in: rough consensus and running code,” scientist David Clark famously said in 1992. On the other side were advocates of competing communication models such as Open Systems Interconnection (OSI) and X.25, who wanted a more complex and bureaucratic protocol that emphasized reliability and security. Jerman-Blažič, who is now 76 years old and lives in Ljubljana, told me that she liked the simplicity of the internet, but the funding for her lab came from European initiatives that supported X.25. She came up with a way to use both: wrapping the internet messages into the X.25 format and, with the help of friends, sending them via the X.25 network to the closest node that could translate them. “I asked my Austrian colleagues to allow me to use the leased line from Vienna to CERN [an intergovernmental research institute in Geneva], and my German friends to use the EASYnet lines from CERN to Amsterdam,” she said. In Amsterdam, the X.25 messages would get converted back into internet to reach their final destination, the U.S, where Jerman-Blažič’s colleagues could read and respond to her emails, share software and research, and more. It took two years of bargaining with government officials to get permission to set up the entry point for the Yugoslavian network in Jerman-Blažič’s lab in Slovenia.

[...]

Theoretically, the life of .yu should have ended with Slovenia’s independence. When the country joined the United Nations a year later it received a new domain from IANA — .si — and the Slovenian government established a new entity to manage it, the Academic and Research Network of Slovenia (ARNES). While the scientists at ARNES were waiting for .si to go live, however, they needed another way to get online. On a Sunday in July 1992, Jerman-Blažič told me that ARNES, which included some of her former colleagues, broke into her lab, copied the domain software and data from the server, and cut off the line that connected it to the network. “Both ARNES directors had no knowledge of internet networking and did not know how to run the domain server,” she said. Though they only used the network for email, ARNES secretly kept .yu running for the next two years, ignoring requests from a rival group of scientists in Serbia who needed the domain for their work.

This description of events is much more plausible and is consistent with the version of the .yu article from earlier in 2024, prior to the publication of the every.to article and the two edits that were added today:

The .yu ccTLD was assigned originally to the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, during the government project for the development of scientific-technological information (SNTIJ). The official registrants were the University of Maribor and the Jožef Stefan Institute, which were located in Slovenia. Computer scientist Borka Jerman Blažič registered the domain in 1989, which allowed Yugoslavia to have an Internet connection.[2]

When the SFR Yugoslavia dissolved, Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina and North Macedonia registered their own ccTLDs (.si, .hr, .ba and .mk). Serbia and Montenegro formed the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, but was under international sanctions at the time because of ongoing Yugoslav wars. The old .yu domain registry had been left in Slovenia, and the domain became a succession matter when the Slovenians refused to relinquish the domain name to the University of Belgrade in Serbia, which had requested they do so.

I suspect that the every.to article is simply wrong about there being a break-in at the University of Belgrade and the author simply misread the thedial.world source. In any case the current version of this article claims that the thedial.world article makes this claim, which it does not, so I will correct that citation shortly.

Rshack4004 (talk) 16:47, 9 October 2024 (UTC)