Talk:Émilie de Rodat

A fact from Émilie de Rodat appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 17 January 2021 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Saint Émilie de Rodat (pictured) founded the Sisters of the Holy Family of Villefranche in 1815, a French religious order that provides free education for poor girls?

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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 12:43, 11 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Saint Émilie de Rodat, founder of the Sisters of the Holy Family of Villefranche.

~~... that Saint Émilie de Rodat (pictured) founded the Sisters of the Holy Family of Villefranche in 1815, a French religious order that established schools for poor girls?~~ Source: Butler, Alban (1991). Butler's Lives of the Saints, p. 296

Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/social projection
2nd review: Template:Did you know nominations/Millie Lovelock

5x expanded by Figureskatingfan (talk). Self-nominated at 19:10, 22 December 2020 (UTC).[reply]

5× expansion of 17 July 2020‎ version completed from 620 characters to 7,945 and nominated on the same day. No copyvios detected (high confidence of violation due to direct quotes that have all been cited) and duplication detector check of online sources[1] reveal no close paraphrasing issues (allowing for WP:LIMITED and direct quotes; AGF book scans and foreign language sources which can't go through Dup detector). Article is well-sourced. Hook is 163 characters long (under 200 character max.) and is interesting. Ref 1 (verifying the hook) is a reliable source. QPQ done. Image is free and in public domain. Looks good to go! —Bloom6132 (talk) 07:12, 23 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Please remove the repetition ("founded"..."founded") from the hook. Yoninah (talk) 23:51, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Done, thanks. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 06:21, 1 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Restoring tick per Bloom6132's review. Yoninah (talk) 11:07, 1 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I came by to promote this, but the second article cited in the hook is completely unreferenced. Could you add a few sources to that? Also, if you could tighten the hook wording or mention an interesting fact, it would help. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 21:42, 3 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The url is the Butler source; I was being lazy by not making it into an inline source. Tighten the hook wording how? It's already under the required 200 character limit. Rodat founded a religious order and provided free education for poor girls; that's not interesting enough? How about this rewording, though? Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 22:40, 3 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

ALT2: ... that Saint Émilie de Rodat (pictured) founded the Sisters of the Holy Family of Villefranche in 1815, a French religious order that provided free education for poor girls? Source: Butler, Alban (1991). Butler's Lives of the Saints, p. 296

@Figureskatingfan: Thank you, ALT2 does read better. Are you able to add some cites to Sisters of the Holy Family of Villefranche? Yoninah (talk) 23:46, 3 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Yoninah: duh, that's what you mean! Yes, I will go do that, no problem. Didn't know that was a DYK thing. ;) Thanks. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 23:52, 3 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Figureskatingfan: wow, the second article looks great now. Are you thinking of expanding it a bit more and making this a two-article hook? Yoninah (talk) 21:22, 4 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Yoninah:, oh that's how it's a DYK thing! How refreshing to know that even those of us who have been around forever (in my case, since 2007) can still learn stuff, right? Seriously, that's what comes of not creating and expanding articles enough. To be honest, I've never done that before. But what the heck, why not. Would you mind putting this DYK on hold for a couple of days to give me time to do that? Thanks. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 22:34, 4 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sure. BTW the "DYK thing" is to try not to link to an inadequate article from the main page. It happens often enough, but I try to improve things on my watch :) Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 11:06, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Yoninah: I've expanded the second article as per your suggestion. Of course, you're right, this does improve things. I try and do the same, as we all should. I added bold font to the second article; my second QPQ is forthcoming. Thanks. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 23:23, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Bloom6132: we now have a multi-article nomination. Would you like to review the new article so I can promote it? Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 12:43, 6 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Yoninah: For sure, I'll have a look later today. —Bloom6132 (talk) 21:33, 6 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Bloom6132: re-ping! I'm sure that you've been as distracted as I have been this week. ;) Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 03:21, 11 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Figureskatingfan: My apologies for putting off the review and losing motivation. —Bloom6132 (talk) 12:21, 11 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
5× expansion of 3 January 2021‎ version completed from 787 characters to 8,017 and part of existing nomination. No copyvios detected (high confidence of violation due to direct quotes that have all been cited) and duplication detector check of online sources[2][3][4][5] reveal no close paraphrasing issues (allowing for WP:LIMITED and direct quotes; AGF book scans and foreign language sources which can't go through Dup detector). Article is well-sourced. New hook (ALT2) is 171 characters long (under 200 character max.) and is interesting. Ref 1 (verifying the hook) is a reliable source. Second QPQ done. Looks good to go! —Bloom6132 (talk) 12:21, 11 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]