Portal talk:Wine

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The big WINE word on top of the portal made the portal look messy, it doesn't look nice at all. Can someone help me to change the it to other font type. Or maybe a simple PNG or SVG transparent image can be created to replace them. It looks really horrible.(X Arteyu ? _{Blame it on me !} 06:10, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

What makes it look terrible? I like them, then again I chose them. As I am the one maintaining this portal, I will be keeping them. If there is a consensus to change them, then we can.

Also, they are a set transparent PNG letters, btw, not a font. --Jeremy (blah blah) 09:32, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

I know that you are the one who maintains the portal. I'm just giving some suggestions so that it look better. The problem with the four words is that it is in PNG. It is not scalable, plus you are streching the image. It is larger than its usual size. Arteyu ? _{Blame it on me !} 10:39, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

I suggest that you change the W alphabet to 92px, and the others to 64px. Try to preview it first, I bet that it would look nicer :) Arteyu ? _{Blame it on me !} 10:43, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

And why not if you use a font instead of an image ? Arteyu ? _{Blame it on me !} 07:32, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Wine portal mascot?

Dionysus, the god of wine and intoxication.

I ran across this picture on Wikipedia Commons. I don't know about anyone else, but I think it would make a more interesting lead picture for this portal than a boring ol' glass of wine. It's cute, and adds some levity to this portal. (I also recently used this picture on my invitations to a combination baby shower / wine tasting party.)

The phrase "alcohol, love, and music" describes serious subjects. On the other hand, the rephrasing "wine, women, and song" seems more festive and fun.

Anyone in favor of balancing the portal a little over to the latter point of view? After all, most of us drink wine for pleasure. ~Amatulić (talk) 21:43, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I wouldn't mind having something decorative and eye-catching on the portal, and this looks good. Tomas e (talk) 08:27, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

The problem is what does the image convey? The majority of our readers will say "why do they have a picture of a naked kid chugging a bottle of wine and pissing at the same time? What the hell does that mean?" The glass of wine at least conveys the message what the portal is about. --Jeremy (blah blah) 19:08, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Ah, but this is a classic work of art depicting the ancient god of the subject! I don't disagree that a picture of an unremarkable glass of wine conveys what the portal is about, but that's so... obvious. We already have this huge word "W I N E" at the top, and then, just in case readers fail to get the point, we have a picture of a glass of wine. The image of the baby Dionysus conveys more than the portal's title; it says that wine is something to be enjoyed. And of course, Wikipedia is not censored (not that that's a reason to post provocative images).

Anyway, I'm not going to insist on it, but I found the image amusing and inoffensive, and felt it would give this portal a nice edge. I would have added it myself but I kind of consider Jeremy as the keeper of things here, so I offer it on this talk page for consideration. ~Amatulić (talk) 21:19, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

I am not looking to keep it out because of the nudity or peeing on the contrary I wholly support keeping WP uncensored. I am just saying is the image may not be representative of the subject to the majority of viewers who will view the portal. I am well aware of Bacchus/Dionysus and his association with wine, what I am just saying is does the public at large know the association? --Jeremy (blah blah) 22:41, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Well, I'm probably a good representative of an ignorant public. When I first saw this painting, I didn't know it depicted Dionysus, or that this was a depiction of a wine god. My first thought was, "Aww, look, a baby drinking wine! And peeing. It looks like a classical painting, I wonder where this came from? This looks like a great mascot for the wine project!"

Only after reading the description and looking up the associated Wikipedia entry did I realize its appropriateness. The pleasure I obtained in this learning process could be duplicated by others... I'm just sayin'. How about trying it out for a while and see if anyone responds? ~Amatulić (talk) 00:43, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Knock yourself out. I am just glad someone besides me wants to take interest in this page. Finally. --Jeremy (blah blah) 03:07, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Notable countries...

Shouldn't Portugal be on there somewhere? I mean, Argentina's there and they aren't as well known for their wines as Portugal is (Madeira, Porto)189.25.150.8 (talk) 23:30, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

according to the next season: "Summer Wine"

May I guide your interest go Talk:Last of the Summer Wine? Please, excuse me, writing in English is not my size. Clausthal (talk) 12:08, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

On The Grape Variety Infobox Template And Updating Growing Area Statistics

Greetings, not sure if this is the right place to discuss, it seems to have been pretty quiet lately; but I have updated the Grape variety Infobox Template (and documentation) to add a vivc_number field, which if given will provide a link to the Vitis International Variety Catalogue online database. It took me a few goes to get it right—sorry if I caused any inconvenience—as I had to wrestle with {{#if:}} to get it to only display the link if it is provided. So, feel free to update your favourite grape variety article with the VIVC number, which you can search for on the VIVC online database cultivar search. The VIVC variety page will also give you some nifty information you can use to fill out any missing bits of the Infobox.

Secondly, there are some handy online open data sources about grape growing areas by variety and country. A handy one that I've been using is maintained by the University of Adelaide and was published in 2013 as the book Which Winegrape Varieties are Grown Where? A Global Empirical Picture (paperback, or free PDF download). The database the book is based on has statistics for both 2000 and 2010 years, and is available to explore online here, or you can download the Excel file (3.5 MB).

I have used these sources as well as books like the Oxford Companion (4ed.) to create the missing Corvinone article, as well as update the growing area information and add missing infoboxes to Corvina, Rondinella, Molinara, and Sagrantino articles (spot the Valpolicella fan).

My random thoughts:

1. should we use the information in such databases to automatically update the infobox fields, in a similar fashion to the bots that periodically update the software versions in the Software Infobox Template? I have little inkling about how to go about doing that though.
2. Should we add a global_planting_area field, or something like that, which we can manually keep up to date from appropriate online sources?

Anyway, cheers! 🍷🍷🍷 Jon (talk) 01:02, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

@Jonathanischoice:, you're more likely to hear from other editors if you bring this up at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Wine (although, frankly, I'm not sure your chances of additional responses there are very good either).

There's been somewhat of a trend across Wikipedia away from putting identifiers for external databases into infoboxes, and instead storing the identifiers in Wikidata and showing them via an additional template on Wikipedia that pulls them from Wikidata. I'm not aware of any appropriate templates of this sort for wine grapes, so using the infobox to store the identifier is probably the best option at the moment.

However, if you want to move forward with automatically updating the infobox fields using VIVC's data, you'd really need to get that data into Wikidata first and then pull it back into Wikipedia. I can't guide you through that process (lots of stuff I don't know much about), but a starting point would be to get support at Wikidata for a new property for VIVC IDs through d:Wikidata:Property_proposal. Plantdrew (talk) 02:21, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

Ahhh - yes, I was wondering how the very awesome semantic data stuff worked, that's definitely very cool. Cheers for the tip :-) Jon (talk) 06:06, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

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Where to put Non-grape wines

This portal is about grape wines, but there are many other alcoholic drinks that are called "wines", but are made from rice, barley, and other grains. Should they have their own portal? They aren't quite beer, not quite wine in the traditional sense, and are not distilled like other alcohols. Sdpg33 (talk) 00:15, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

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