Wikipedia:Featured portal candidates/Portal:Wine

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Portal:Wine

I have recently taken over editing this portal which was created early last year. As I have been updating the Portal:Food each month, another featured portal, I thought I would take over this one as well because it had been abandoned. In updating the portal I feel that I have added the characteristics that are I have found in other featured portals. After a peer review a few items have been tweaked and I am now submitting the portal for featured status.--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC (talk) 01:10, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Since you're using random portal component, I would suggest you to change the wording of "Archive" into "Other selections" OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 02:20, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Suggestion implemented.--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC (talk) 03:32, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Please see my comments at the peer review, Wikipedia:Portal peer review/Wine/archive1, which has not been archived yet but as this Featured Portal Candidate discussion was started, the peer review needs to be archived. Cirt (talk) 09:22, 6 January 2008 (UTC).[reply]

Peer review has been archived, all items you suggested were taken into consideration and implemented.--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC (talk) 18:47, 8 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comments, actually several points from the peer review were not addressed

The hyperlinks in the News section look ugly. Could either be removed with <noinclude></noinclude> around the hyperlinks, that way the references for the info would still be there, but would only show up on the subpage - or could instead utilize the new User:Wikinews Importer Bot, or just use some entries from Wikinews, updated manually. In any case, no need to actually see the references for the news in the portal - just on a portal subpage is sufficient. This is a point from the Peer Review that was not addressed. Cirt (talk) 01:10, 9 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment-I don't agree with them being "ugly", but if that is the norm, then I shall remove the links.--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC (talk) 03:03, 13 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Removing news links is not the norm. Displaying them just as they appear at Portal:Current events is the norm. RichardF (talk) 04:28, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Selected picture could have something in the text description wikilinked and bolded, if the reader wants to find more info on Wikipedia about what is displayed in the picture. -- This is yet another point that was not addressed, from the peer review. Cirt (talk) 01:10, 9 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment-There are items linked in the description.--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC (talk) 03:03, 13 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Associated topics should be "Main topics". -- This is another point from the peer review that was not addressed. Cirt (talk) 01:10, 9 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment-Has been changed--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC (talk) 03:03, 13 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Some additional points

Associated Wikimedia -- formatted oddly, why the spacing between the links and the text/graphics? Cirt (talk) 01:10, 9 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment-This is the unmodified template used on all projects.--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC (talk) 16:45, 13 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please see the featured portal, Portal:Religion, for a better way to format this section. Cirt (talk) 08:35, 15 January 2008 (UTC).[reply]

I'm not sure what you are seeing on your screen, but on mine they are exactly the same.--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC (talk) 04:17, 17 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You don't see the big space gap between "Wine on Wikinews" and then "News", below it? Cirt (talk) 08:48, 17 January 2008 (UTC).[reply]

On my screen both of them have a "big gap". I am using this Template:WikimediaForPortals which is the template suggested to use for all portals.--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC (talk) 19:15, 18 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

In that case I would suggest creating a new subsection for Wikimedia, and modeling it after featured portal, Portal:Religion/Wikimedia. Cirt (talk) 22:48, 18 January 2008 (UTC).[reply]

Comment-Done.--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC (talk) 23:37, 18 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I see you made the changes which look alright, but I'm still seeing weird spacing in that section of the portal on my screen. Is anyone else seeing this? Cirt (talk) 02:44, 20 January 2008 (UTC).[reply]

Associated topics -- could use a creative/colorful icon in the upper right corner, just a thought. Cirt (talk) 01:10, 9 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The same spacing appears on my screen for the Religion Portal.--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC (talk) 02:48, 20 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Related WikiProjects -- Just list the related wikiprojects, perhaps with an associated graphic, IMO adding all this extra text looks bad. Cirt (talk) 01:10, 9 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment-Done--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC (talk) 17:07, 13 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Related lists -- Should just be named "Lists". Cirt (talk) 01:10, 9 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Coment-Done--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC (talk) 17:07, 13 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Categories -- "The following are categories relating to wine:" - this is self-evident, just remove this text altogether. Cirt (talk) 01:10, 9 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment-Done--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC (talk) 17:07, 13 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Selected article -- Hyperlinks in the text look bad, are these supposed to be in-line citations, just copied from the original article? Cirt (talk) 01:10, 9 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- To other readers coming from WP:FPORTC, take a look through the "blurbs" used at Portal:Wine/Selected article, you'll see what I mean here, as far as the cites/links embedded in the blurb text that could be removed/formatted better. Cirt (talk) 08:37, 15 January 2008 (UTC).[reply]

Comment-Removed all links and citations.--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC (talk) 18:54, 18 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Great. Cirt (talk) 22:48, 18 January 2008 (UTC).[reply]

Selected personality -- Should be "Selected biography" Cirt (talk) 01:10, 9 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment-Done--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC (talk) 16:45, 13 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Selected winery -- Same issue, hyperlinks within the text look bad. Cirt (talk) 01:10, 9 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment-Removed--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC (talk) 17:07, 13 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Should you really be featuring relatively poorly-sourced stubs or Start-class articles in a portal?

All of the "selected articles" are GA's.--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC (talk) 19:15, 18 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Selected quote -- Selected quote is unsourced. Cirt (talk) 01:10, 9 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment-It is sourced, the source is right after the author and is linked to the article on the source.--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC (talk) 03:03, 13 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I see there is some random stuff, but no "show new selections" or "purge" function in order to change the selected material? Cirt (talk) 01:10, 9 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment-It is on the bottom of the page.--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC (talk) 16:45, 13 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Should be moved to the top, center, below the Introduction, as per featured portal example, Portal:Sustainable development. Cirt (talk) 08:33, 15 January 2008 (UTC).[reply]

Comment-Has been moved.--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC (talk) 18:58, 18 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Did all of the entries in "Did you know..." appear at some point on the Main Page? If not, are all of the facts presented sourced with references, or are they original research ? Cirt (talk) 01:10, 9 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment-They are all from the linked, bold article title in each statement. All but the last DYK were featured on the Main page DYK.--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC (talk) 03:03, 13 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, good. Is that fact for that last one sourced somehow? Cirt (talk) 08:33, 15 January 2008 (UTC).[reply]

The entire article is sourced, I wrote it. The fact comes from a text.--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC (talk) 12:24, 16 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If that last fact for the last DYK never appeared on the Main Page, it would be best to also provide a source for that fact on its subpage. Cirt (talk) 01:05, 17 January 2008 (UTC).[reply]

That seems ridiculously over redundant, so that means that the fact being on the main page is the only thing that makes it warrantable to be on a portal page? That would mean that nothing should be featured on a portal page that hasn't been on the mainpage or it would have to have citations on the portal page, but as you stated, the citations should not be present because they are "ugly".--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC (talk) 04:18, 17 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think you misunderstand, the actual references don't actually have to show up in the portal if you use <noinclude><noinclude>. But at any rate, take a look at the Featured Portal, Portal:New South Wales, specifically their WP:DYK section. I believe that all of their DYKs appeared on the Main Page in the T:DYK section at one point, though I may be mistaken. They also randomly generate different DYKs when the page is purged. Cirt (talk) 08:46, 17 January 2008 (UTC).[reply]

DYK's shouldn't have to appear on the Main Page before appearing on a project. That means that every new article would have to have something posted on the main page and honestly, not everyone does that. If it comes to the point where I will not be updating monthly, I will change it to random.—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:|User:]] ([[User talk:|talk]] • contribs)

No, they don't all have to have had appeared on the Main Page, but they should all be factual. One way to ensure this is to put citations on the subpages of those that did not appear on the Main Page, because we WP:AGF that those that did appear on the Main Page were already vetted for factual accuracy by WP:DYK folks. Cirt (talk) 22:48, 18 January 2008 (UTC).[reply]

Commet-Gotha, I'll add a citation to the archive page then. Although the fact is easy to just look up on the "highlighted" article's page, but that would require reading throught the article I suppose.--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC (talk) 23:28, 18 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note, portal nominator having computer trouble: -- Per DIFF, the portal nominator, Tanner-Christopher (talk · contribs), is having some computer/internet problems. This should be taken into account if he's having trouble or slow to respond to points brought up at this discussion. Cirt (talk) 01:23, 9 January 2008 (UTC).[reply]

Few concerns

Avoid red link in the portal except requested articles. e.g. Concha y Toro in News, Gaston Bazille in Selected article.

Comment - Removed link.--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC (talk) 21:59, 18 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Still, there are some. Charles Heidsieck (wine) in 5 Côte des Blancs, Côte de Sézanne Montagne de Reims, Vallée de la Marne in 11, Gaston Bazille in 17. Shyam ^(T/C) 05:57, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Center items in Associate Wikimedia section.

I'm not following, they are centered from what I can see.--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC (talk) 21:59, 18 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I am not able to see. Shyam ^(T/C) 05:57, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

More articles in Main topics section would be appericiated.
Archives of all the section lack some back up, i.e. February, currently.

They are lacking because I just took over the portal which was not being updated.--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC (talk) 18:59, 18 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

News section misses reference of all the news and require updation on regular basis.

I added back the sources which I removed when I took off the weblinks to the original articles. I haven't updated them in a couple weeks as I am quite busy getting ready for a thesis proposal meeting, plus I teach and my classes begin next week and a myriad of other issues. I will update with some new items early next week.--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC (talk) 22:01, 18 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This is not the right way of adding references. Please add the links of the news from where they come. Shyam ^(T/C) 05:57, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I had that before and was asked by the reviewr above to remove them as they were deemed to be "ugly".--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC (talk) 13:23, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Kindly retain them as links. Sorry for the inconvenience. Shyam ^(T/C) 05:37, 23 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

--- Shyam ^(T/C) 10:49, 18 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I respectfully disagree, no need to see the external links, using <noinclude></noinclude> easily satisfies Verifiability, as the links could then still be seen on the talk page. But this isn't really a big issue. Cirt (talk) 12:34, 25 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's not an issue of verifiability, it's an accepted practice of usability. Wikipedia's "Topics in the news" have internal links to encyclopedic articles and external links to news source articles. RichardF (talk) 04:28, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support. RichardF (talk) 04:28, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Promoted. I left this discussion opened for a little longer to gather more opinions. I personally believe that browser compatability issues will occur in all portals and not just particular ones. They should not be on the grounds to not promote this or any portal unless it affects the majority of editors. --OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 05:04, 27 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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