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Grammar in Wikilinks section
Regarding the grammar, "just like ab does" should be changed to "just as ab does". Also, "looking equal to" should be "appearing like". D021317c 04:28, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
"Unlike the name suggests, the target site need not be a wiki" would be better expressed by "The target site, unlike what the name suggests, need not be a wiki." D021317c 04:40, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
meta:Help:Link authors and history
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—Uncle G's 'bot 21:35, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
History pasted into the Talk page: dumb
Yuck, why is the History pasted into the Talk page? Isn't there a history button already, no? The page is 43 Kb long already. Jidanni 19:11, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
- If anyone's still curious, here's my best understanding: it's something that has to be done as part of transwiki-ing, in order for the history of the page under the previous namespace to be preserved. Lenoxus " * " 17:06, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
Query.php is dead
The example on the Help:Link page no longer works. Please explain how to do this using the new API. Racepacket (talk) 12:27, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
"[1]" style internal links
Mention how to make a link that looks like "[1]", but is internal. I.e., [http://b.l.a/] gives what I want, but what if one likes the [1] style, but just wants to link another internal page but have it show up as [1].
Or mention if that is impossible, to stop security confusion, etc. Jidanni 19:08, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
- Do you mean like [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Link#History_pasted_into_the_Talk_page:_dumb] [1] ? Racepacket (talk) 12:33, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
The term "anchor".
WP:Linking#Principles defines "anchor" (linker) as opposed to "target" (linkee):
Yet Help:Link#Section linking (anchors) uses the term anchor (as linkee) to mean a "target" section (linkee)(in opposite sense to WP:Linking).
The two uses are incompatible and oppose one another. I move we minimize the use of anchor in linking guidelines, as it is confused.
- Delete the sentence. It is unused in WP:Linking (occurring only once to define itself).
- Delete the parenthetical. Section titles do not need the task of defining terms parenthetically.
- Decide upon a consistent linking terminology, then review and copyedit WP:Linking and Help:Link. They are the same project, and same subject.
Both uses are logical, but we should simply remove the term except from where it is entrenched. Since it is well established in HTML and wiki software template circles (as evidenced by "Section linking"), we should make wikitext markup descriptions similar to them.
CpiralCpiral 22:22, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
Quotation character in external links
Quotation characters ( " ) mess up the format of external URL links. For example, here are three ways to try to link to http://www.google.com/search?tbs=bks:1&tbo=1&q="world%20cup"&btnG=Search+Books.
- (brackets around URL) "world%20cup"&btnG=Search+Books
- (brackets around URL+'Link text') "world%20cup"&btnG=Search+Books link text
- (just URL) http://www.google.com/search?tbs=bks:1&tbo=1&q="world%20cup"&btnG=Search+Books
The problem can be fixed by URI-encoding the quotation character as %22. I think this should be noted on the Help page. Is there bugzilla entry for this? Are there other characters that this happens for? --Bequw (talk) 04:20, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
OCLC automatic links?
WP has ISBN, RFC and PMID automatic links. I'd like to see OCLC links generated the same way (Sorry if this is not the best place for this subject; I couldn't find a better one). WCCasey (talk) 04:48, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
Where Is The "PMID" For "Science" Journal Reference?
Not Clear About PMID - Need To know (I think) the PMID of the Reference attached to this entry - where is the PMID? -or- how does one obtain a PMID for this particular reference?[1]
References
- ^ Colaprete, A.; Schultz, P.; Heldmann, J.; Wooden, D.; Shirley, M.; Ennico, K.; Hermalyn, B.; Marshall, W; Ricco, A.; Elphic, R. C.; Goldstein, D.; Summy, D.; Bart, G. D.; Asphaug, E.; Korycansky, D.; Landis, D.; Sollitt, L. (22 October 2010). "Detection of Water in the LCROSS Ejecta Plume". Science. 330 (6003): 463–468. doi:10.1126/science.1186986. PMID ?.
{{cite journal}}: Check|pmid=value (help)CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)
Thanks in advance - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan (talk) 19:57, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
I can't go to a section from my contributions
If I want to go back to a section I have edited, I can't do it from my list of contributions if the word "anchor" is in the title. Is this a bug that can be fixed, or something that needs to be explained in this article?— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 20:03, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
- The problem is not the word "anchor" but having a template in a section heading, for example {{anchor}} as suggested at Help:Link#Section linking (anchors). The linked arrow in section edit summaries is documented at Help:Edit summary#Section editing. Perhaps the issue should be mentioned there. An example from your contributions is [2] where the case with
{{anchor|...}}does not work. You can manually remove the template code from the edit summary before saving but few people will do that. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:37, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
- Well, yeah, I knew it was the template and not just the word. Thanks.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 16:50, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
Linking references from different languages
How to link falsetto into a Chinese Wikipedia page that I'm working on?TimHowardII (talk) 21:06, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
- See interlanguage links under Interwiki links. LittleBen (talk) 04:16, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
Relative link from sandbox not working??
I have two subpages from my sand box, /a and /b. I can get to /b from /a by writing {{../b|params..}} but when I try to transclude /a from my sandbox, as {{/a|params..}} it then tries to access b as user/b not user/sandbox/b
Or am I doing something wrong? Alternatively, is there an easy way of removing [ and ] from a string? John of Cromer in China (talk) mytime= Sat 13:58, wikitime= 05:58, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
- I've tried to answer this at the Help desk. It's probably best to raise questions in just one place at a time. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:43, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
Anchors away
I copy edited the Subpage links section.
BTW, I had to change the bit using the term anchor. It seems that term is defined and used consistently until sections 4, 5, and 6, where it turns into what was before target. I just substitute {{anchor}}.— CpiralCpiral 02:27, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
Discussion about accidental page replacement, and posting of the proposed edited section
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Interwiki Links explanation not consistent
Section first says (they) "take a prefix ":x:" which specifies the target site". And later it says: for example, [[m:Help:Link]] links to the "Help:Link" page on Meta ...
But m:Help:Link is not in the form that has a prefix ":x:". Yurivict (talk) 02:41, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
Linking to a subsection
Greetings! Does anobody know how to make an intra-link to a subsection? For example, if there was an hypothetical article Alphabet, and it had a section called == Vowels == and a subsection === Letter A ===, how can you make an intra-link to the subsection === Letter A ===? (Alphabet -> Vowels -> Letter A)
I tried to find an answer from the Help -section, but there was no mention of such a case. Therefore, I'd like to suggest that such instructions are included to the current Help -site :P Cheers! Jayaguru-Shishya (talk) 20:55, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
- Linking a subsection is the same as linking a section: [[Alphabet#Letter A]] --RacerX11 Talk to meStalk me 21:40, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
Older topics
This history link shows the earlier topics which were on this talk page before they were deleted by Uncle G's 'bot 21:35, 4 December 2006 (UTC). (They have nothing to do with the heading "From Meta:Help talk:Link" – that heading was just an empty topic created by Uncle G's 'bot.) --83.255.55.91 (talk) 17:38, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
non-existent links unclickable/plaintext
Hello, Is it possible to print red links (articles that have not been made) as plain text, without the use of ParserFuntions?
Example: [[link|name|non-existent=plaintext]] = or something of that sort. I repeat - I cannot use ParserFunctions where I wish to achieve this, so it has to be a build-in feature.
Thanks! --62.65.192.86 (talk) 14:45, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
- Try
<nowiki>...</nowiki>- that's not a parser function.<nowiki>[[link|name]]</nowiki>→ [[link|name]] --Redrose64 (talk) 20:10, 26 May 2014 (UTC)- Please read my message again, that is not what I asked for (: --85.253.84.55 (talk) 04:01, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
- It's hard to understand what you meant to ask, since you didn't explain what you mean by print, or what purpose this is for. Did you mean that you want to display red links as non-linked plain text on wiki pages (not Wikipedia?)? The hypothetical syntax of your example appears to be for marking up specific links with this property – is that what you want? --83.255.55.91 (talk) 19:10, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
"revisionjumper" gadget broke section links to old revisions
Section link to old version of WP page didn't work due to enabled "revisionjumper" gadget (closed discussion)
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The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. According to WP:ANCHOR, "anchor links can also be added to external URLs and to interwiki links, again using the # syntax". I'm trying to make a link to a section (or subsecion) of an old version of an article. Clicking the link takes me to the old version of the article, but the section anchor seems to have no effect. The cursor always ends up at the top of the page. Example: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DVdm&oldid=655052178#Proper_length ([3]). If indeed this does not work, shouldn't that be reflected on this help page? But perhaps I missed something. If so, any idea what I can do? - DVdm (talk) 08:57, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
Bingo! Go to Preferences, Gadgets, Browsing, option "The revisionjumper creates an interface which allows you to jump between different revisions." Turn it off and the problem is solved. User DerHexer pinged. Thanks, PrimeHunter for having pointed me in the right direction! - DVdm (talk) 15:08, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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Proposal to permit redlinks in nav templates
Please see Wikipedia talk:Red link#Proposal regarding redlinks in navigation templates — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼ 20:50, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
RfC: piping a wikilink for the sole purpose of inserting the 's
Hi! You may be interested in Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Linking#Saxon genitive and piping. It is about [[George Washington|George Washington's]] administration vs. [[George Washington]]'s administration wikilinks. Thanks in advance! -- Basilicofresco (msg) 04:55, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
Sub section link going to bottom of the page
I am attempting to make a link to a subsection of another page, and the link keeps taking me to the bottom of the page instead of the subsection. Anyone know how to fix this?
Example: {{OP|Document:MainSection#subsectiontitle|subSectiontitle}}
This link, goes to the bottom of the "Document" instead of the "subsectiontitle". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jhmechanic (talk • contribs) 17:32, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
- If you give us a wikilink to an example, we can look at it. Your contribution record shows nothing other than this question. I'm also rather confused by the syntax in your question; there isn't a "Document" namespace, and {{OP}} apparently doesn't take any parameters. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:41, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
people overwhelm by this page
We have had a bunch of new editors asking questions about this page.....seems people are overwhelmed with all the technical data and wording. Think its time we make a simple page to link for new editors... as of now best to link Wikipedia:Tutorial/Wikipedia links for new editors. Will work on this next week. -- Moxy (talk) 23:43, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
- Fixed. See altered {{About}} template. Mathglot (talk) 20:03, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
Linking to sections with embedded slash
The article needs to have a treatment of how to handle linking to section titles which have embedded slashes, and why it doesn't work "the normal way" but requires an escape; for example: #Gender identity and sexuality/sexual orientation. This arose from a question on my Talk page. I answered in part, but didn't go into detail about where the 2F escape comes from, because I was worried about burying a new user in TMI about an arcane topic. But a full explanation of the issue would be completely appropriate here at Help:Link.
There is already a section #Disallowed_characters in the article, but a new explanation doesn't belong there (at least, not if the section title remains the same) as slash is not a disallowed character in section names. Possibly it could go there if the section were renamed '#Special characters' with sub-subsections '#Disallowed', '#Meta', and '#Slash'. Otherwise, perhaps it could be added to #Section linking (anchors) (aka, WP:ANCHOR).
The new treatment might also mention in passing that the Manual of Style frowns on the use of slash to join words as a general rule. In addition, possibly something should be mentioned, or maybe just a link added, about the different default handling of slash in Main: and Talk: namespaces with respect to slashes in the page title and whether subpages are automatically created or not, if that's not too O/T. Mathglot (talk) 20:43, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
- @Mathglot: Slashes work fine in section links: Social construction of gender#Gender identity and sexuality/sexual orientation. The problem in a question on your Talk page was wrong addition of "_2" to a link. The characters
[ ] { | }do require encoding in section links. I have added mention of that.[4] PrimeHunter (talk) 13:54, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
"Highlight duplicate links" doesn't work properly
Don't know where else to take this issue, but the "Highlight duplicate links" button in the "tools" section has been malfunctioning for a while. Before, it distinguished between the lead and the article body when highlighting duplinks, but now it counts links in the article body as duplinks if they are linked in the intro, which makes the feature pretty much useless. Can someone change it back to how it was? FunkMonk (talk) 20:20, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
- @FunkMonk: That tool is added by the javascript User:Ucucha/duplinks.js which you added to your common.js. I'll ping the script author - @Ucucha: - but if he doesn't respond in a few days, I suggest you post at WP:VPT and perhaps one of the project's scripting experts will take a look. -- John of Reading (talk) 06:18, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
- Ok, thanks! FunkMonk (talk) 14:00, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
Google search URLs
URLs like https://www.google.com/search?q="awarded+a+royal+charter" render as:
- https://www.google.com/search?q="awarded+a+royal+charter"
or, in square brackets, as:
Can someone add a note on how to use them correctly, please? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 08:27, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
- You could try
https://www.google.com/search?q=%22awarded+a+royal+charter%22which renders as https://www.google.com/search?q=%22awarded+a+royal+charter%22 and works as a link. If you want it to display with the quote marks you can use[https://www.google.com/search?q=%22awarded+a+royal+charter%22 https://www.google.com/search?q="awarded+a+royal+charter"]which renders as https://www.google.com/search?q="awarded+a+royal+charter" --David Biddulph (talk) 08:44, 22 October 2017 (UTC)- See also Help:URL#Linking to URLs which is linked in Help:Link#External links. For Google searches we also have {{Google}}.
{{Google|"awarded a royal charter"}}produces "awarded a royal charter". PrimeHunter (talk) 10:21, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
- See also Help:URL#Linking to URLs which is linked in Help:Link#External links. For Google searches we also have {{Google}}.
Automatically remove red links from page
Hi all,
I have been looking around (Inlcuding in the WP:WikiProject Red Link Recovery) for information on how to remove all red links from an article (The article in question 2002 WPA World Nine-ball Championship, was translated from the German Wikipedia; which has red links, and more pool players on), as the ones that have been translated are non-notable. The only thing I've seen is that it may be possible via AWB; but didn't go into details. Is there any way to change this information (as I may need to use this more than once, and manually it's quite the job)? Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:45, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
- I don't know a tool but here is a method using regular expressions in the source editor. It skips piped links and some things can go wrong. Click "Advanced" in the toolbar above the edit area to show the advanced menu. Click the magnifying glass icon at the right to get a popup search and replace box. Enter
\[\[([^\|]*?)\]\]at "Search for:". Enter{{subst:#ifexist:$1|[[$1]]|$1}}at "Replace with:". Make a checkmark at "Treat search string as a regular expression". Click "Replace all". The source should now have a lot ofifexistcode but don't worry yet. Click "Show changes" to see the source changes which will be performed on save. If it looks OK then save. Otherwise abandon the edit or make manual changes. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:24, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
Request to remove redirect Link
MY user page is Rosogolla Film, Wikipedia published my page, Rasgulla Film, Which is not correct. Page link URL is redirect with Rusgulla desert, I want ot remove this URL. How to solve my problem. Please help me. Bhattacharya rani (talk) 11:25, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
- Your request is unclear. Your user page is User:Bhattacharya rani. You can post to Wikipedia:Teahouse but please use the exact names of pages you refer to and link them like I did here, e.g.
[[Rosogolla (film)]]. I guess it's about some of the pages/redirects Rosogolla (film), Rasgulla (film), Rosogolla, Rasgulla, but you didn't actually give the name of a single of those pages. Also be clear about whether you really want to remove a url or only change a redirect at that url into an article. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:51, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
Unintentinal wiki syntax in links
Is there a way to have a link that could e.g. contain ~~~~? I tried the magic words like fullurl, but the only way to prevent the conversion to a signature seems to be <nowiki>. Watchduck (quack) 15:40, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
- @Watchduck: No page at Wikipedia can have three or more consecutive tildes in its name; the software doesn't allow it. See Wikipedia:Naming conventions (technical restrictions)#Three consecutive tildes. You can place three or more tildes on the right of a piped link; one way is to use nowiki like this ~~~~, another is to break up the sequence like this ~~~~ or like this ~~~~ (view the source to see the coding). -- John of Reading (talk) 16:06, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
- @Watchduck: You didn't say whether it's for external links or wikilinks. There are ways for external links. You can percent-encode ~ as %7E like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%7E%7E%7E%7E, or you can insert a comment in the url like
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/~~<!---->~~which produces https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/~~~~. It's not possible in wikilinks, and there couldn't be a target page if it was possible. Wikipedia:Naming conventions (technical restrictions)#Three consecutive tildes says: "Titles cannot contain 3 or more consecutive tildes". That's why https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/~~~~ or variations like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A~~~B say "Bad title" and "The requested page title contains invalid magic tilde sequence (~~~)." (this is Mediawiki:Title-invalid-magic-tilde). MediaWiki prevents wikilinks to such invalid titles. Two tildes are allowed.[[~~]]produces ~~.[[~<!---->~]]works and produces ~~, so wikilinks can contain comments. But[[~~<!---->~~]]fails and produces the unlinked [[~~~~]] with displayed brackets. It's the same for other wikilinks with at least 3 consecutive tildes, e.g. [[A~~~B]]. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:30, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks for the hint with
<!---->. I meant external links like http://example.com?names=~~~~. I am aware of percent-encoding, but in the case that made me ask that would not help. The tildas are meant as separators of strings that may be empty, buy may also contain tildas: http://example.com?names=Huey~Dewey~Louie~non%257Econformist. This query string encodes four names, and the last one is non~conformist. Percent-encoding states that the tilda is not a reserved character, so there should be nothing wrong with this URL. It would be good to have a template that makes sure all legal URLs can actually be used. Would that be technically possible? 20:43, 18 November 2018 (UTC)- @Watchduck: I don't know how your example was constructed but it fails because double percent encoding was used on ~. First it was encoded as %7E and then % in that was encoded as %25, producing %257E. This is not a valid encoding of ~. No encoding http://example.com?names=Huey~Dewey~Louie~non~conformist or one encoding http://example.com?names=Huey~Dewey~Louie~non%7Econformist both work. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:24, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks for the hint with
- Believe it or not, but in my use case
%257Eis actually the right solution. I did not come up with it, it's what strict-uri-encode gives me. The two URLs you wrote "both work", but they both encode five names, the last two non and conformist. - Anyway, do you think a template could do something like including
<!---->? Are there other examples of legal URLs that could be misinterpreted as wiki syntax? http://example.com?names=---- works fine (despite<hr>). Watchduck (quack) 23:56, 18 November 2018 (UTC)- @Watchduck: I don't know what your unspecified site requires but
%257Eis not a valid percent encoding of ~. Are you sure you used strict-uri-encode correctly? I don't have the tool but suspect you asked it to encode the already encoded http://example.com?names=Huey~Dewey~Louie~non%7Econformist. Your browser address bar may display the same for this and for http://example.com?names=Huey~Dewey~Louie~non~conformist, but they are not the same and your browser may copy-paste them differently from the address bar. Four ---- only make a horizontal rule<hr />at the start of a line. A template could not be called with a plain text~~~~written in the wikitext without nowiki, comment tags or something else, because it would be converted to a signature as soon as the page is saved. Three consecutive tildes in url's is rare. A common issue is square brackets, e.g.http://example.com?[string]producing http://example.com?[string] while http://example.com?%5Bstring%5D works. See more at Help:URL. If you try to call a template with a url as a parameter then you get trouble with some allowed url characters being interpreted as wiki syntax. I don't think a general solution is possible where the wikitext can contain any valid url without modifications. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:51, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
- @Watchduck: I don't know what your unspecified site requires but
- Believe it or not, but in my use case
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Bot requests § Fixing broken shortcuts to sections. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 05:54, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
Help in linking to special pages
I've collated and extended the available help on this worthy topic. Feel free to share your thoughts on my efforts CapnZapp (talk) 10:08, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
Specific anchor question
I'm placing this here rather than the help desk because it seems like it might be an obscure question. If the help desk is a better place, please let me know.
Question: Is there a way to create a consistent anchor or link in a Talk page so the the anchor or link still works after the relevant section has been archived? Thanks. Finney1234 (talk) 02:07, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
- @Finney1234: No, that is not possible. I have occasionally made both a normal wikilink which will break on archiving and a permanent link which will continue to work but only show the page as it looked when the link was made. Example:
- "As I posted to Wikipedia:Teahouse#area of a circle (permanent link), your work is original research and would not belong in Wikipedia even if it was correct."
- The archived section at Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1089#area of a circle has two newer posts which aren't in the permanent link. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:44, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks. A permanent link wouldn't be ideal, but might be semi-adequate. Finney1234 (talk) 03:07, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
Adding external link recommendation
None of the magic words fix this issue in any way that I could work out: Try either linking or wikilinking to this lovely Talk thread using magic words (and please post if you can): Help_talk:Citation_Style_1/Archive_41#{{Cite_book}}_and_|contribution_problems. I did it with a simple online percent-encoder, but I don't see how a magic word can do it without first encoding some of the text manually. So some kind of web app has to be linked to. If there's an appropriate tool (open source or whatever) or an alternative simple method that the community would prefer, list it or replace it later. Otherwise I'll add this one in a week or so. SamuelRiv (talk) 01:57, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
- This will work: Help_talk:Citation_Style_1/Archive_41#.7B.7BCite_book.7D.7D_and_.7Ccontribution_problems, but its not an obvious solution. Another would be to edit that archive and put a sensible {{anchor}} there. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 06:42, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
- Please post the source for how you made the substitution. It's unreasonable to ask a user to manually substitute a hypothetical
Help_talk:Template#Who_decided_to_make_us_type_{{#ifeq:{{{1|{{{2|{{{3|}}}}}}}}}}}???SamuelRiv (talk) 12:24, 16 August 2022 (UTC)- I inspected the HTML code of the target page and used the id for that section; I wrote it isn't an obvious solution. AFAICS there is no simple way (other than putting a sensible anchor there). -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 17:54, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
- This combines three different tricks: Help talk:Citation Style 1/Archive 41#{{Cite_book}}_and_|contribution_problems. It works but is hard to do. I don't know a tool but fiddled with it manually. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:28, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
- It's easier if you also post the code so that we can see it instead of checking the source page.
- It works in this case of templates, but if it doesn't work for nested brackets then the point remains the same. So it's clear there's no objections to an external tool. SamuelRiv (talk) 19:45, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
- My code was:
[[Help talk:Citation Style 1/Archive 41#{{anchorencode:{<nowiki/>{Cite book}<nowiki/>} and {{!}}contribution problems}}]]. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:18, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
- My code was:
- This combines three different tricks: Help talk:Citation Style 1/Archive 41#{{Cite_book}}_and_|contribution_problems. It works but is hard to do. I don't know a tool but fiddled with it manually. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:28, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
- I inspected the HTML code of the target page and used the id for that section; I wrote it isn't an obvious solution. AFAICS there is no simple way (other than putting a sensible anchor there). -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 17:54, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
- Please post the source for how you made the substitution. It's unreasonable to ask a user to manually substitute a hypothetical
I reverted the supplied example. I don't have anything against it technically, but it ambushes the reader with a serious case of technobabble, and I just want us to first ask ourselves: is it worth it?
What I mean is, if we identify a real need to go into this level of detail, we must ensure we bring our readers along. As written, the section made a lot of assumptions of the technical competence of the reader, and did not introduce the problem. Also, can we come up with a less absurdly complex example to get the same point across? Isn't it much simpler to do the "try it out and see what the web browser resolves it to" method?
I'm not saying I have the answers. (I'm not even entirely sure I understand the question!) I just think a second pass on this would be worthwhile. If y'all disagree, feel free to undo the undo and not much time was lost. CapnZapp (talk) 12:14, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
- The question is discussed above. It is a problem and the solution is not trivial. As to your objections: The problem was introduced and exemplified; there are a number of technical matters raised in the help page, and interested readers will find them, eh, helpful; the removed text is quite concise and not overly long and certainly doesn't "babble"; the page doesn't have to bring every reader along – those with simple questions will just skip sections they're not interested in – the page has to cater for a wide readership. I suggest to restore SamuelRiv's text. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 12:40, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
- A second pass? You have yet to make a first pass. Please pass. Otherwise get out of the left lane (or right if you're Imperial). SamuelRiv (talk) 13:02, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
- There are problems with the addition as written, most notably it ignores the fact that this is an automated version of the manual process described directly above, but if we think it's worth mentioning the W3 School percent encoder, the problems are cosmetic and easily fixed. (I'd be happy to do it.) I think it's probably worth adding. Dan Bloch (talk) 16:09, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
- Nowhere in the article (or anywhere on wikimedia help sites that I've found) does it mention that special characters are allowed in section headings, or how the characters should be encoded properly be encoded in wikilinks when an automated process is desired (that is, if any wiki parser functions will work, and thus maybe imply that an automated process is currently not implemented on-site as far as we know). Several parser functions are mentioned here and in other help documents, so naturally a user (template coder) would try them out. One immediate purpose is that someone who maybe wants to write a script or template to parse section links should be aware that these types of links exist.
- Do you really want to just list your username on the Help page instead of W3 Schools (which specifies NC fair use, which is better than the copyright info from the other online converters I found)? Maybe we can code a template with the phrase "send all links you want parsed to Danbloch" -- I'm pretty sure there's a python library that does that. SamuelRiv (talk) 17:13, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
- Two paragraphs above the text you added, it says, "Some characters in a web address link need to be represented as escape characters because they are reserved for Wikipedia edits. Examples include %5B for [, ..." But also, are you replying to some other message? Mine said it's probably worth adding. Dan Bloch (talk) 18:08, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
- The sentence is clearly in the context of external links, and the subject of the paragraph is external links. It is confusing because the preceding and following paragraphs then refer at least in part to wikilinks. And again, this is important to specify in one way or another and to offer a solution (or note the lack thereof) because the only automated parsing is done by MW and the local browser, and MW does not otherwise error-correct for a section heading that it cannot automatically parse in a section wikilink.
- If you think it should go in but have other suggestions for how to word it, then feel free to edit the page. I don't see why it should all be removed until I can magically determine what everyone likes. SamuelRiv (talk) 15:13, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, you have a consensus. Feel free to add it back. Dan Bloch (talk) 16:27, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
- Two paragraphs above the text you added, it says, "Some characters in a web address link need to be represented as escape characters because they are reserved for Wikipedia edits. Examples include %5B for [, ..." But also, are you replying to some other message? Mine said it's probably worth adding. Dan Bloch (talk) 18:08, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
- There are problems with the addition as written, most notably it ignores the fact that this is an automated version of the manual process described directly above, but if we think it's worth mentioning the W3 School percent encoder, the problems are cosmetic and easily fixed. (I'd be happy to do it.) I think it's probably worth adding. Dan Bloch (talk) 16:09, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
Section links in IOS App
Wikilinks to sections of an article don't seem to work in the IOS app when the target is within the same article. Is that a known issue and if so, is there a workaround using anchors or explicit HTML? Onceler (talk) 19:27, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
- On which page and which link did you observe this behaviour? -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 00:53, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
In the following:
Article:Tim Bray
Wikilink:Antarctica Systems
Onceler (talk) 11:41, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- What do you mean by "don't seem to work"? Instead of scrolling to that section, what happens? BTW, you ought to construct intra-article links without the article name: not [[Tim Bray#Antarctica Systems|Antarctica Systems]] but [[#Antarctica Systems|Antarctica Systems]]. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 14:55, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
What I mean is that what happens is nothing: selecting the link takes you to where you already were. Instead of changing the focus to the linked section as expected, the view just remains the same.
Thanks for the tip. I don’t disagree about starting section links to elsewhere in the same article with the ‘#’ directly, omitting the redundant article name, but that didn’t seem to help when I tried to edit it. This link cited as an example was already in that form when I first found it. Onceler (talk) 02:47, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
- I tried that link with the Android app, and behaved as expected – it scrolled to the section. The mechanism for jumping to an internal named link is the same as jumping to sections from the table of contents. Does that work? According to mw:Wikimedia Apps/iOS FAQ#Where do I report bugs?, there's a method in the app via its "Settings"/"Help and feedback"/"Report a bug" facility. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 03:11, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
Redirects and non-redirect wikilinks
Which is preferred, a redirect (e.g. [[neologistic]]) or a non-redirect wikilink ([[Neologism|neologistic]])? Someone changed it on Neopronoun and I was curious if it's a norm in the lead — Tazuco ✉️ 15:47, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- I'm pretty sure this falls under WP:NOTBROKEN; that is, the redirect is preferred. Dan Bloch (talk) 17:58, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- For me, I would prefer to use non-redirect wikilink and add the pipe link to it, so yes I'll choose the later option. Chongkian (talk) 03:04, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
Don't suggest MOS:FORCELINK
§ Using a redirect as alternative suggests using the target of a link to convey additional information – invisible in the main text, but available to an interested reader. This contradicts MOS:NOFORCELINK and is not accessible. For abbreviations, {{abbr}} or {{abbrlink}} are appropriate. For non-abbreviations, MOS:NOHOVER discourages tooltips; instead, use H:NOTES.
I propose that the page should either:
- discourage "hiding info in links" and explain these accessibility considerations
- since this is a technical article, neutrally discuss the possibility of "hiding info in links", but also link to MOS:NOFORCELINK
- not mention "hiding info in links" at all
jlwoodwa (talk) 20:51, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 26 September 2023
 | This edit request to Help:Link has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
A wikilink (or internal link) is a link from one page to another page within the English Wikipedia, or, more generally, within the same Wikipedia (e.g. within the French Wikipedia), in other words: within the same domain, or, even more generally, within the same Wikimedia project (e.g. within Wiktionary). 223.177.183.193 (talk) 08:07, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
Not done for now: It's not clear what changes you want to be made - the only difference is that you've linked "within Wiktionary" to this article. Is that what you intended? Tollens (talk) 08:25, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
