Draft talk:Villa Fraccaroli

Autumn 2024 Educational Project Page

This page is part of an Educational Project by students of LIUC, Italy, with a course page at: [1]https://outreachdashboard.wmflabs.org/courses/LIUC_-_Universit%C3%A0_Cattaneo/Digital_Technology_(October_-_December,_2024) . The users of the group are new to the Wikipedia platform, have completed mandatory Training for Students, and are learning to edit following Wikipedia rules. They are open to any advice on improvements of the page in conformity to Wikipedia requirements and guidelines, and any help useful for the enhancement of the page will be gladly accepted. The student Usernames are:

LIUCgiuli27
Liucmicol01
RiccardoD.LIUC
LIUCstampa1
Lu13.plati
LIUCAmanjot1
su13.koroma

Issues or questions can be referred direct to the users or to their tutor @Limelightangel Limelightangel (talk) 14:02, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Suggestions: Location and Surroundings

If there are any suggestions regarding the section please put it here, any information that could be added and any useful sources.

Feedback on Draft 1/11/24

@LIUCgiuli27, Liucmicol01, RiccardoD.LIUC, LIUCstampa1, Lu13.plati, LIUCAmanjot1, and Su13.koroma:

text has been inserted above the draft banner tag. This tag needs to be moved to the top of the page: AfC submission|t||ts=20241025161912|u=Liucmicol01|ns=118|demo=}}
there are 3 grammatical errors in the first line of text
Needs an Infobox: find a relevant Infobox template from Wikipedia:List of infoboxes and Template:Infobox building, and use this templare correctly, or find a similar page with a relevant Infobox, and use this. Note that these are templates with rules on how they are used and for acceptable field content/format
note the guidelines and good practice on lead (or introductory) sections, and look at good practice on other pages. See: Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lead section. Use this to develop this section. See also Wikipedia:Writing_better_articles#Lead_section.

Limelightangel (talk) 14:59, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

the lead section has no sources
the Infobox has a red error related to an image
the section on Legend' has fundamental issues:
- it has no sources
- the section header is unclear
- the style is unacceptable: 'The strange thing is that'; 'however'; etc. See the relevant sections in Wikipedia:Manual of Style
- structure: it is located in the wrong part of the page
- the content was added without the user logging in
the Template:Infobox building has been used but many of the availble fields not been used

Limelightangel (talk) 20:12, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Feedback on Draft 12/11/24

@LIUCgiuli27, Liucmicol01, RiccardoD.LIUC, LIUCstampa1, Lu13.plati, LIUCAmanjot1, and Su13.koroma:

text has been inserted above the draft banner tag. This tag needs to be moved to the top of the page: AfC submission|t||ts=20241025161912|u=Liucmicol01|ns=118|demo=}}
the single External link is formated incorrectly. See Wikipedia:External links and how it is done better on other pages
extensive overlinking. Over 20 occurences need removing. Note, understand and avoid overlinking See Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Linking
linking: See Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Linking.
- You link out once, the first time the linked text is used
- do not duplicate links out
the page needs relevant and acceptable images e.g. of the architect and the villa itself Partly done
all 8 references are incorrectly formated, inconsistently formatted, grammatically incorrect and/or missing available source data e.g. authors
there are no See Also links. See Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Layout#"See_also"_section
structure needs changing, with History coming before Legend, Architecture, etc.
Several sections are incorrectly titled e.g. Geography; Architect; Landscape and Accessibility; Legend; etc.
Several edits have been made without the user logging in
Several parts have no sources, including the entire History section and 2 paragraphs in the Legend; several sections have just single, low-quality sources (e.g. blog, tourism websites) and need complementing with better and more authorative sources
structure:
- the final unsourced paragraph in History may be better in another section
- the first 2 sentences in the limited 'History' section are not history and should go in a better section
- some contebt in Architecture belongs in History
duplicate content e.g. located in Piovene Rocchette; was never completed; etc.
minor issues with style e.g. 'in the heart of'; 'Observing the facade'; 'nestled among lush vegetation'; etc. See Manual_of_Style#Vocabulary
minor grammar issues e.g. 'Including views of Monte Summano, a prominent local mountain peak. '; 'regional trails. Which are popular for'; etc.
still issues with the lead section, including providing the Italian name for the topic: Palazzina Fraccaroli
inconsistencies e.g. use of Palazzina Fraccaroli, Villa Fraccaroli, Fraccaroli mansion and Castle Fraccaroli
needs adding to relevant Categories. See Help:Category
status in Infobox may be incorrect - check if it is unfinished, incomplete, or 'Destroyed'. See the options for the status field at Template:Infobox building
interwiki links are acceptable but the one to Negrin is incorrectly formaated: see Help:Interwiki linking
given the extensive issues listed here and in the earlier post it is advised to discuss & correctly 'check off' issues where they are listed when completed to manage these tasks. See Help:Talk
content: Google Books has potential factual sources related to this topic and the family e.g. search on 'fracarroli Piovene Rocchette', etc.

Limelightangel (talk) 10:31, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

text has been inserted above the draft banner tag. This tag needs to be moved to the top of the page: AfC submission|t||ts=20241025161912|u=Liucmicol01|ns=118|demo=}} Done
the single External link is formated incorrectly. See Wikipedia:External links and how it is done better on other pages
extensive overlinking. Over 20 occurences need removing. Note, understand and avoid overlinking See Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Linking Done
linking: See Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Linking.
- You link out once, the first time the linked text is used
- do not duplicate links out Done
the page needs relevant and acceptable images e.g. of the architect and the villa itself
all 8 references are incorrectly formated, inconsistently formatted, grammatically incorrect and/or missing available source data e.g. authors
there are no See Also links. See Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Layout#"See_also"_section
structure needs changing, with History coming before Legend, Architecture, etc. Done
Several sections are incorrectly titled e.g. Geography; Architect; Landscape and Accessibility; Legend; etc. Partly done:
Several edits have been made without the user logging in
Several parts have no sources, including the entire History section and 2 paragraphs in the Legend; several sections have just single, low-quality sources (e.g. blog, tourism websites) and need complementing with better and more authorative sources
structure:
- the final unsourced paragraph in History may be better in another section
- the first 2 sentences in the limited 'History' section are not history and should go in a better section Done
- some contebt in Architecture belongs in History Done
duplicate content e.g. located in Piovene Rocchette; was never completed; etc.
minor issues with style e.g. 'in the heart of'; 'Observing the facade'; 'nestled among lush vegetation'; etc. See Manual_of_Style#Vocabulary Partly done:
minor grammar issues e.g. 'Including views of Monte Summano, a prominent local mountain peak. '; 'regional trails. Which are popular for'; etc. Done
still issues with the lead section, including providing the Italian name for the topic: Palazzina Fraccaroli
inconsistencies e.g. use of Palazzina Fraccaroli, Villa Fraccaroli, Fraccaroli mansion and Castle Fraccaroli
needs adding to relevant Categories. See Help:Category
status in Infobox may be incorrect - check if it is unfinished, incomplete, or 'Destroyed'. See the options for the status field at Template:Infobox building
interwiki links are acceptable but the one to Negrin is incorrectly formaated: see Help:Interwiki linking
given the extensive issues listed here and in the earlier post it is advised to discuss & correctly 'check off' issues where they are listed when completed to manage these tasks. See Help:Talk
content: Google Books has potential factual sources related to this topic and the family e.g. search on 'fracarroli Piovene Rocchette', etc.

LIUCAmanjot1 (talk) 18:57, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Liucmicol01 (talk) 16:45, 15 November 2024 (UTC) @LIUCstampa1:[reply]

references and sources are missing in the paragraph 'Architecture'

Su13.koroma (talk) 16:49, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

sources and references are missing in the 'Location and Surroundings' paragraph either.

Castle or Villa

One thing I've noticed is that throughout the page we end up calling Fraccaroli Castle a Villa and viceversa (myself included). Additionally, the first section of Legends and Myths is not on topic but rather digs into my section of History which (in order to not repeat ourselves) we should agree on where to put it. RiccardoD.LIUC (talk) 17:18, 15 November 2024 (UTC) Su13.koroma (talk) 18:44, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Architecture

Liucmicol01 (talk) 16:45, 15 November 2024 (UTC) @LIUCstampa1:[reply]

the "Architecture" paragraph has no sources to support it.