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Autumn 2024 Educational Project Page

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This page is part of an Educational Project by students of LIUC, Italy, with a course page at: [1]https://outreachdashboard.wmflabs.org/courses/LIUC_-_Universit%C3%A0_Cattaneo/Digital_Technology_(October_-_December,_2024) . The users of the group are new to the Wikipedia platform, have completed mandatory Training for Students, and are learning to edit following Wikipedia rules. They are open to any advice on improvements of the page in conformity to Wikipedia requirements and guidelines, and any help useful for the enhancement of the page will be gladly accepted. The student Usernames are:

  • LIUCgiuli27
  • Liucmicol01
  • RiccardoD.LIUC
  • LIUCstampa1
  • Lu13.plati
  • LIUCAmanjot1
  • su13.koroma

Issues or questions can be referred direct to the users or to their tutor @Limelightangel Limelightangel (talk) 14:02, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Feedback on Draft 1/11/24

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@LIUCgiuli27, Liucmicol01, RiccardoD.LIUC, LIUCstampa1, Lu13.plati, LIUCAmanjot1, and Su13.koroma:

  • text has been inserted above the draft banner tag. This tag needs to be moved to the top of the page: AfC submission|t||ts=20241025161912|u=Liucmicol01|ns=118|demo=}}
  • there are 3 grammatical errors in the first line of text
  • Needs an Infobox: find a relevant Infobox template from Wikipedia:List of infoboxes and Template:Infobox building, and use this templare correctly, or find a similar page with a relevant Infobox, and use this. Note that these are templates with rules on how they are used and for acceptable field content/format
  • note the guidelines and good practice on lead (or introductory) sections, and look at good practice on other pages. See: Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lead section. Use this to develop this section. See also Wikipedia:Writing_better_articles#Lead_section.

Limelightangel (talk) 14:59, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • the lead section has no sources
  • the Infobox has a red error related to an image
  • the section on Legend' has fundamental issues:
    • it has no sources
    • the section header is unclear
    • the style is unacceptable: 'The strange thing is that'; 'however'; etc. See the relevant sections in Wikipedia:Manual of Style
    • structure: it is located in the wrong part of the page
    • the content was added without the user logging in
  • the Template:Infobox building has been used but many of the availble fields not been used

Limelightangel (talk) 20:12, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Feedback on Draft 12/11/24

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@LIUCgiuli27, Liucmicol01, RiccardoD.LIUC, LIUCstampa1, Lu13.plati, LIUCAmanjot1, and Su13.koroma:

  • text has been inserted above the draft banner tag. This tag needs to be moved to the top of the page: AfC submission|t||ts=20241025161912|u=Liucmicol01|ns=118|demo=}}
  • the single External link is formated incorrectly. See Wikipedia:External links and how it is done better on other pages
  • extensive overlinking. Over 20 occurences need removing. Note, understand and avoid overlinking See Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Linking
  • linking: See Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Linking.
    • You link out once, the first time the linked text is used
    • do not duplicate links out
  • the page needs relevant and acceptable images e.g. of the architect and the villa itself  Partly done
  • all 8 references are incorrectly formated, inconsistently formatted, grammatically incorrect and/or missing available source data e.g. authors
  • there are no See Also links. See Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Layout#"See_also"_section
  • structure needs changing, with History coming before Legend, Architecture, etc.
  • Several sections are incorrectly titled e.g. Geography; Architect; Landscape and Accessibility; Legend; etc.
  • Several edits have been made without the user logging in
  • Several parts have no sources, including the entire History section and 2 paragraphs in the Legend; several sections have just single, low-quality sources (e.g. blog, tourism websites) and need complementing with better and more authorative sources
  • structure:
    • the final unsourced paragraph in History may be better in another section
    • the first 2 sentences in the limited 'History' section are not history and should go in a better section
    • some contebt in Architecture belongs in History
  • duplicate content e.g. located in Piovene Rocchette; was never completed; etc.
  • minor issues with style e.g. 'in the heart of'; 'Observing the facade'; 'nestled among lush vegetation'; etc. See Manual_of_Style#Vocabulary
  • minor grammar issues e.g. 'Including views of Monte Summano, a prominent local mountain peak. '; 'regional trails. Which are popular for'; etc.
  • still issues with the lead section, including providing the Italian name for the topic: Palazzina Fraccaroli
  • inconsistencies e.g. use of Palazzina Fraccaroli, Villa Fraccaroli, Fraccaroli mansion and Castle Fraccaroli
  • needs adding to relevant Categories. See Help:Category
  • status in Infobox may be incorrect - check if it is unfinished, incomplete, or 'Destroyed'. See the options for the status field at Template:Infobox building
  • interwiki links are acceptable but the one to Negrin is incorrectly formaated: see Help:Interwiki linking
  • given the extensive issues listed here and in the earlier post it is advised to discuss & correctly 'check off' issues where they are listed when completed to manage these tasks. See Help:Talk
  • content: Google Books has potential factual sources related to this topic and the family e.g. search on 'fracarroli Piovene Rocchette', etc.

Limelightangel (talk) 10:31, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • text has been inserted above the draft banner tag. This tag needs to be moved to the top of the page: AfC submission|t||ts=20241025161912|u=Liucmicol01|ns=118|demo=}}  Done
  • the single External link is formated incorrectly. See Wikipedia:External links and how it is done better on other pages
  • extensive overlinking. Over 20 occurences need removing. Note, understand and avoid overlinking See Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Linking  Done
  • linking: See Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Linking.
    • You link out once, the first time the linked text is used
    • do not duplicate links out
  • the page needs relevant and acceptable images e.g. of the architect and the villa itself
  • all 8 references are incorrectly formated, inconsistently formatted, grammatically incorrect and/or missing available source data e.g. authors
  • there are no See Also links. See Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Layout#"See_also"_section
  • structure needs changing, with History coming before Legend, Architecture, etc.  Done
  • Several sections are incorrectly titled e.g. Geography; Architect; Landscape and Accessibility; Legend; etc.  Partly done:
  • Several edits have been made without the user logging in
  • Several parts have no sources, including the entire History section and 2 paragraphs in the Legend; several sections have just single, low-quality sources (e.g. blog, tourism websites) and need complementing with better and more authorative sources
  • structure:
    • the final unsourced paragraph in History may be better in another section
    • the first 2 sentences in the limited 'History' section are not history and should go in a better section  Done
    • some contebt in Architecture belongs in History  Done
  • duplicate content e.g. located in Piovene Rocchette; was never completed; etc.
  • minor issues with style e.g. 'in the heart of'; 'Observing the facade'; 'nestled among lush vegetation'; etc. See Manual_of_Style#Vocabulary Partly done:
  • minor grammar issues e.g. 'Including views of Monte Summano, a prominent local mountain peak. '; 'regional trails. Which are popular for'; etc. Done
  • still issues with the lead section, including providing the Italian name for the topic: Palazzina Fraccaroli
  • inconsistencies e.g. use of Palazzina Fraccaroli, Villa Fraccaroli, Fraccaroli mansion and Castle Fraccaroli
  • needs adding to relevant Categories. See Help:Category
  • status in Infobox may be incorrect - check if it is unfinished, incomplete, or 'Destroyed'. See the options for the status field at Template:Infobox building
  • interwiki links are acceptable but the one to Negrin is incorrectly formaated: see Help:Interwiki linking
  • given the extensive issues listed here and in the earlier post it is advised to discuss & correctly 'check off' issues where they are listed when completed to manage these tasks. See Help:Talk
  • content: Google Books has potential factual sources related to this topic and the family e.g. search on 'fracarroli Piovene Rocchette', etc.
LIUCAmanjot1 (talk) 18:57, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Liucmicol01 (talk) 16:45, 15 November 2024 (UTC) @LIUCstampa1:[reply]

  • references and sources are missing in the paragraph 'Architecture'

Su13.koroma (talk) 16:49, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • sources and references are missing in the 'Location and Surroundings' paragraph either.

Castle or Villa

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One thing I've noticed is that throughout the page we end up calling Fraccaroli Castle a Villa and viceversa (myself included). Additionally, the first section of Legends and Myths is not on topic but rather digs into my section of History which (in order to not repeat ourselves) we should agree on where to put it. RiccardoD.LIUC (talk) 17:18, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Feedback on Draft 22/11/24

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@LIUCgiuli27, Liucmicol01, RiccardoD.LIUC, LIUCstampa1, Lu13.plati, LIUCAmanjot1, and Su13.koroma:

  • There are too few bibliographic references. Also take care to correctly and appropriately link all elements of the text that can be referenced (e.g. Paolina Carlotta).
  • I suggest fixing the order of the chapters: for example, the chapter “Location and sorraundings” I suggest putting it before the chapter “Villa Fraccaroli Today”
  • Fix the order of the elements in the info box (e.g. first put the location and then the other information)
    • Needs an Infobox: find a relevant Infobox template from Wikipedia:List of infoboxes and Template:Infobox building, and use this templare correctly, or find a similar page with a relevant Infobox, and use this. Note that these are templates with rules on how they are used and for acceptable field content/format
  • note the guidelines and good practice on lead (or introductory) sections, and look at good practice on other pages. See:Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lead section. Use this to develop this section. See also Wikipedia:Writing_better_articles#Lead_section.
  • There are grammatical errors

Greentree97 (talk) 11:12, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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