Draft talk:2024 Greenfield tornado

Too soon...

Hey Wikiwillz, I would recommend moving this back into draftspace, as this was created way too soon. This is exactly similar to the 2023 Clarksville tornado deletion discussion (and subsequent merge reason) as well as the 2024 Sulphur tornado deletion discussion (and subsequent merge reason). Heck, NWS has yet to actually publish the full damage survey (even preliminary) for the tornado. The finalized reports do not come out until at least August 2024. My general rule of thumb is to wait at least a year to see if WP:LASTING is satisfied. Again, this is my recommendation. If another editor feels it should be nominated for deletion (like 2023 Clarksville & 2024 Sulphur was), I would support a merge on it.

The reason I am saying move it back into draftspace now is then it won't be deleted/merged via community consensus. If the community decides it shouldn't be a stand-alone article, then a brand-new discussion is required to even try to create the article again. I.e., 2023 Clarksville and 2024 Sulphur are, in short, prevented from becoming articles, without the community voting for them to be articles sometime in the future. So please, draftify it and wait at the bare minimum until the NOAA finalized damage survey comes out in August 2024. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 22:02, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

I have proposed deletion, we should get a community consensus. I will agree that this was wayyy too soon. WxTrinity :3 (My talk page, my contributions and my creations!) 22:06, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Please do not propose deletion and allow me to move back to draftspace, you are causing the exact problem The Weather Event Writer just brought up. Wikiwillz (talk) 22:07, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Will do, my bad WxTrinity :3 (My talk page, my contributions and my creations!) 22:09, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

I do believe WP:LASTING is already proven due to this tornado being the deadliest in Iowa since 2022, the strongest tornado in over a year, completely devastating large portions of a town in Iowa, and having extremely strong sourcing. But I will agree its a bit too premature since the NWS has not completed their analysis. Definitely a mixed bag, but tornadoes like Clarksville and Sulphur are tame comparatively to Greenfield. Wikiwillz (talk) 22:14, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Sulphur is a good example of the “destroyed a town” argument. Yes, while it did cause extensive damage to downtown Sulphur, we need to see it is will meet WP:NOTABLE. Sulphur 100% met WP:LASTING, but has already been largely forgotten, whether that be by media or by other means. I do apologize for the AfD (I didn’t see your message) as well. :) WxTrinity :3 (My talk page, my contributions and my creations!) 22:41, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Sulphur was not a destroyed town though, less than 10% of the town was destroyed. Most of the damage to homes was roof damage. The worst case was the old downtown buildings, none of which were fully destroyed. Sulphur is akin to a tornado like Wynne, AR, mid range tornado going through a town. Trust me, I was there ;). Wikiwillz (talk) 23:26, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

I agree with @WeatherWriter and @Sir MemeGod on this. This is way too soon. West Virginia WXeditor (talk) 23:03, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

I also noticed that there isn’t a PROD template on this. Do I guess someone (definitely wasn’t me) removed it. West Virginia WXeditor (talk) 23:04, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Move to mainspace?

Tagging @WeatherWriter @ChessEric @TornadoLGS @MarioProtIV

Given this tornado is now the "strongest" tornado ever recorded, and has had over a month of national news coverage, I would propose this article is moved to mainspace. The National Weather Service has also completed their survey and there is plenty of sourceable information to develop the article if need be. On multiple accounts this event is one of the more defining severe weather events of the 2020s. Let me know your thoughts! Wikiwillz (talk) 03:15, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

I think we should still wait, for multiple reasons:

1) The tornado still qualifies under the "TOOSOON" policy, and we still don't know the exact windspeeds

2) The "strongest" measure is still under investigation, and I'd wait until we can get a confirmed, NWS-based press release on the legitimate windspeed.

3) "Defining weather event of the 2020s" is more likely than not biased, but honestly I completely understand where you are coming from (heck I though April 27th was the defining event of the year). While this tornado could 100% warrant an article in the future due to the circumstances involved, if you want to see what happens when a significant tornado article is made way too early, just see the Sulphur AfD, which I have already brought up above. Happy editing, and good work on the draft so far! :) Sir MemeGod ._. (talk - contribs - created articles) 03:39, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

I'm not too keen on doing this based on a wind speed reported on Twitter, since we're comparing that to winds reported in peer-reviewed papers on other tornadoes. TornadoLGS (talk) 06:50, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

The data was actually released in an NBC article, I'm not sure why the twitter article is sourced. Wikiwillz (talk) 18:26, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

I already responded to your Sulphur take which is not comparable at all. Wikiwillz (talk) 18:24, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

There are still empty spaces that need to be filled before I would consider moving it to the main space. Please handle that 1st. ChessEric 18:29, 23 June 2024 (UTC)