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RfC: Should historical highways get county/city-specific transportation categories?

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I don't believe former highways should receive transportation categories for counties/cities at all, but since two users respectfully disagree with my stance, I'd like to get a broader community consensus on this. Since there's no basis in policies or guidelines regarding this matter, I have nothing else to say. ToThAc (talk) 17:47, 20 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Also pinging Fredddie and Morriswa to solicit their thoughts on the matter. ToThAc (talk) 17:50, 20 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]


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After some additional thoughts, I've come up with some alternatives that could possibly be used:

  • Option 1: Group under a different sortkey, maybe to sort at the beginning of the category. However, as Imzadi1979 has pointed out, it might call unnecessary attention to the historic routes.
  • Option 2: Sub-categorize under something like Category:Historic transportation in [jurisdiction]. For example, U.S. Route 81 in Texas would receive Category:Historic transportation in Webb County, Texas, Category:Historic transportation in La Salle County, Texas, Category:Historic transportation in Frio County, Texas, Category:Historic transportation in Medina County, Texas, Category:Historic transportation in Atascosa County, Texas, Category:Historic transportation in Bexar County, Texas, Category:Historic transportation in Guadalupe County, Texas, Category:Historic transportation in Comal County, Texas, Category:Historic transportation in Hays County, Texas, Category:Historic transportation in Travis County, Texas, Category:Historic transportation in Williamson County, Texas, Category:Historic transportation in Bell County, Texas, Category:Historic transportation in Falls County, Texas, Category:Historic transportation in McLennan County, Texas, Category:Historic transportation in Hill County, Texas, and Category:Historic transportation in Johnson County, Texas. This is also the option that I would recommend, as it allows leeway for routes only partially decommissioned in a certain area. ToThAc (talk) 02:08, 21 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Also pinging MatthewAnderson707 to hear their thoughts. ToThAc (talk) 02:16, 21 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose both—remember that these categories are used for all forms of transportation infrastructure, so former railways, former rail stations, former airports, etc would also be swept up, yet there's no issues with them in the same category as current railways, current rail stations, current airports, etc. I think this is a solution in search of a problem. Imzadi 1979  02:22, 21 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    @Imzadi1979: Are you absolutely certain about that? It could be that there hasn't been enough discussion about it. ToThAc (talk) 04:47, 21 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support option 2. I'm not sure about the category names, but that sounds like a good idea. Morriswa (Charlotte Allison) (talk) 06:07, 21 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support for option 2, if we actually need to do anything. Like Imzadi, I'm skeptical there is a real problem to solve here. However, if consensus agrees there is one, option 1 is obviously a no-go; we do not fudge sort-keying just for pseudo-categorization of stuff no one really cares about. The only time we don't use the real sort key is for pushing one or more truly key articles to the top of a category that has a lot of stuff in it.  — AReaderOutThatawayt/c 05:22, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support for option 2 I agree that it makes sense that you'd put historical roads in a different category. Perhaps they should be named "Former roads in..." instead of "Historic transportation in..." for reasons of clarity and specificity, but I support option two in spirit. (Summoned by bot)  I dream of horses  If you reply here, please ping me by adding {{U|I dream of horses}} to your message  (talk to me) (My edits) @ 04:31, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes and No - a historic category seems plausible as a generic, in addition to the transportation tag. Not as an alternative instead. Cheers