Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Women artists/Reliable sources
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IS the project page here the place to list books such as (cut & pasted from my bibliography)
Rubenstein, Charlotte Streifer, American Women Artists, G.K. Hall & Co., Boston 1982
and
Rubenstein, Charlotte Streifer, American Women Sculptors, G.K. Hall & Co., Boston 1990 ?
And how about books about just one woman artist? Want those too? I've got a bunch of sculptors.
Einar aka Carptrash (talk)
- Yes definitely we need those dictionaries of women artists - the usual sources often lack entries for women, especially since most museums don't purchase women's works until well after women artists are dead. After poking through online collections for a few years I can hardly blame them. Often the more notable women artists were known for qualities unrelated to their works, and I don't feel their works are that admirable today. Looking at the 18th-century, painters I think are qualitatively better were less known in their lifetimes. I suppose the same is true for men - see the story of Johannes Vermeer. In any case, there were very few "modern art" museums in the 19th-century that purchased women's work. And the old phrase "out-of-sight, out-of-mind" holds in this case. Because the women weren't in museum holdings, they didn't make it into the dictionaries of biographies that were written with those lists in mind, etc. If the women for whom you have specific titles already have Wikipedia pages, you can go ahead and put those books on the talk pages, and otherwise use them for some unsourced statement. If they don't have articles yet, put them on the worklist page with a footnote to the book as a source.
- Got it. Carptrash (talk) 15:45, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
I am a little confused
[edit]as to why a wikipedia article such as Armory Show should be on the list. I understand that there were many women that exhibited there, I even wrote half a dozen stubs about some of them a couple of years ago, but pretty much every large art show had a bunch of women showing, do we list them all? Also, since wikipedia articles can not be used as a reference in other articles it seems rather pointless. But you are defining this lists parameters, so, if you like, I can add a few more of that sort of link. Carptrash (talk) 17:17, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
- It's actually not true that "pretty much every large art show had a bunch of women showing". The Armory Show was notable for the number of women in the show. An added advantage is that the publication of the catalog means these paintings are now able to be hosted on Wikimedia Commons. If you have others, please do post them! Jane (talk) 00:34, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
- The 3rd Sculpture International featured 250 sculptors, about 70 of whom were women. That ratio is, I believe (I have not done the math yet) is continued in the 70 Sculptors photo - for which I'd appreciate help in identifying them. Is that enough? Are we looking for any good source that has any information on women artists? Connor, Janis and Joel Rosenkranz, Rediscoveries in American Sculpture: Studio Works 1983 - 1939, University if Texas Press, Austin, 1989, for examplen looks at 20 sculptors of whom 7 are women. Should that be included? I am not trying to be terrible or difficult or pickey, I am just trying to get a good grasp of what you are looking for. Carptrash (talk) 20:40, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
- Sculptors!! Yes - anything you have. Preferably online, but books are good too. There are very few catalogs of women artists in solo, and in most large overview catalogs they get left out. Basically I am asking you to list what you find - I listed the low-hanging fruit that is easily found online, but good old paper is fine. Jane (talk) 23:50, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
- The 3rd Sculpture International featured 250 sculptors, about 70 of whom were women. That ratio is, I believe (I have not done the math yet) is continued in the 70 Sculptors photo - for which I'd appreciate help in identifying them. Is that enough? Are we looking for any good source that has any information on women artists? Connor, Janis and Joel Rosenkranz, Rediscoveries in American Sculpture: Studio Works 1983 - 1939, University if Texas Press, Austin, 1989, for examplen looks at 20 sculptors of whom 7 are women. Should that be included? I am not trying to be terrible or difficult or pickey, I am just trying to get a good grasp of what you are looking for. Carptrash (talk) 20:40, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
Instead of having insulation in my walls I have lined the walls with book cases. Sculpture is my #1 interest, but there are others. I collect pretty much anything on the subject, tho tend to slack off after 1940 or 1950. Many of the women that I have books about already have articles, but in the name of science let us give it the blue link and red link test. Audrey Flack, Mary Frank, Harriet Whitney Frishmuth, Diana Guest, Glenna Goodacre, Malvina Hoffman, Anna Hyatt Huntington, Harriet Hosmer, Hildreth Meiere, Sylvia Shaw Judson, Agnese Udinotti, Gertrude Vanderbilt Whitney. I live with and take care of my mother (92) and she is getting up so I'll finish later. Carptrash (talk) 01:28, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
- Frances Loring and Florence Wyle, collectively knows as "the Girls." Frances Rich, Vinnie Ream, Brenda Putnam, Beverly Pepper, louise Nevelson, Elisabet Ney, and more. Carptrash (talk) 20:08, 8 March 2015 (UTC)