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Graph of the major Women's Leagues in North America

Hello that think you of this graph in French language: fr:Modèle:Palette Ligues sportives féminines majeures en Amérique du Nord . This graph groups together the bigs sporting Women's leagues on American continent. We could make the same graph in English language. The probleme is that I do not know any more how can it be done? my memory is lacking to me, --Cordialement féministe ♀ Cordially feminist Geneviève (talk) 22:39, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

In English is:

Major Women's sport leagues in North America

Ice Hockey:: Canadian Women's Hockey League (CWHL); Western Women's Hockey League (WWHL); National Women's Hockey League (NWHL); National Collegiate Women's Ice Hockey Championship; Canadian Interuniversity Sport women's ice hockey championship (CIS)

Soccer:: National Women's Soccer League (NWSL); Women's Professional Soccer (WPS) (2007-2012); Women's United Soccer Association (WUSA) (2000-2003); W-League (USL-W); Women's Premier Soccer League (WPSL); Women's Premier Soccer League Elite (WPSL-E); Women's League Soccer (WLS)

Basketball:: Women's National Basketball Association (WNBA); NCAA Women's Division I Basketball Championship; Bronze Baby

Softball:: National Pro Fastpitch (NPF); NCAA Division I Softball Championship; Women's College World Series (WCWS)

Other sports:: Women's Flat Track Derby Association (WFTDA); National Ringette League (NEL); NCAA Bowling Championship; NCAA Women's Cross Country Championship; NCAA Women's Field Hockey Championship; NCAA Women's Golf Championship; NCAA Women's Gymnastics championship; NCAA Women's Lacrosse Championship; NCAA Rowing Championship; NCAA Women's Soccer Championship; NCAA Women's Swimming and Diving Championships; NCAA Women's Tennis Championship; NCAA Women's Indoor Track and Field Championship; NCAA Women's Outdoor Track and Field Championship; NCAA Women's Volleyball Championship; NCAA Women's Water Polo Championship

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Australian rules football

They are discussing notability of female players on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Australian rules football. --LauraHale (talk) 01:09, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Laura but I know nothing about the women's football ( soccer). Reluctantly I don't even know the soccer players in my country. If my dad Charles was still alive he could intervene in the discussion but the life has on it to decide otherwise --Cordialement féministe ♀ Cordially feminist Geneviève (talk) 13:56, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Ladies ski jumping

New serie of pictures of jumping girls : http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:ListFiles/Manuguf , for your articles. Thank you. -- Manuguf (d) 21:44, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Thank you so much --Cordialement féministe ♀ Cordially feminist Geneviève (talk) 22:17, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Graph for Canadian Women's Hockey League (CWHL)

Hello that think you of this another graph in French language: fr:Modèle:Palette Histoire LCHF . This graph groups together the Women's ice hockey teams in CWHL. We could make the same graph in English language. The probleme is that I do not know any more how can it be done? my memory is toooo lacking to me . I am very sorry,--Cordialement féministe ♀ Cordially feminist Geneviève (talk) 22:39, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

I can translate and set up new navigation boxes in English ... they will need to have links to English articles, though. Do these French articles all have English equivalents? (I'm not involved in sports myself, I saw a mention of this project on another project's discussion page, and thought I would see what's happening here. Excellent initiative.)

If anyone wants to see the details on creating navigation box templates, they are here: [1]

OttawaAC (talk) 02:18, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Bonjour OttawaAC, do these French articles all have English equivalents ? yes , the differents pages exist in language English. I am going to write them to you here.. But before I will to thank you for your technical help. Thank you so much, merci beaucoup, תודה --Cordialement féministe ♀ Cordially feminist Geneviève (talk) 10:30, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Canadian Women's Hockey League

Current teams: Boston Blades, Brampton Thunder , Burlington Barracudas, Montreal Stars, Team Alberta CWHL, Toronto Furies

Disappeared teams: Mississauga Chiefs , Ottawa Senators (CWHL) , Quebec Phenix , Toronto Aeros, Vaughan Flames

Friday January 13th 2011 Then here are my 2 very awkward and incomplete essays for template. Forgive my errors. I am sorry about it but I do not master Wikipedia for the graphs of model.--Alors voici mes 2 essais bien maladroits et incomplets. Pardonnez mes erreurs. J'en suis désolée mais je ne maîtrise pas Wikipedia pour les graphiques de modèle.

שלי 2 מגושם.פארדונאז מנסה הטעויות שלי.

Thank ,merci, תודה --Cordialement féministe ♀ Cordially feminist Geneviève (talk) 19:14, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Scope?

Does this project also cover biographical articles related to sportswomen? — Bill william compton^Talk 17:01, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Bonjour Bill, It would be necessary to ask to both seniors members Laura and Maple Leaf. But I imagine that it is yes because I have writes somes bibliographies of high-level sportswomen. see Annie Guay and Jenny Lavigne. Bon week-end, --Cordialement féministe ♀ Cordially feminist Geneviève (talk) 18:51, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Merci :) — Bill william compton^Talk 19:23, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

WNBL

I'm creating a few articles on my user space about members of the current Canberra Capitals squad with the intention of taking all those ones to DYK. :)

Any help copy editing these articles, adding information and otherwise improving before they move to the main name space would be fantastic. --LauraHale (talk) 22:55, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Update: All articles moved to the main name space and nominated for Did You Know. --LauraHale (talk) 20:50, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

A teamwork together

Why not? Each of us has the skills and we can quite together contribute. I propose the writing together of the page Major women's sport leagues in North America. In more this collective realization can allow us of know and to settle together a solidarity, Soyons solidaire ensemble, --Cordialement féministe ♀ Cordially feminist Geneviève (talk) 14:52, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

It would be really nice to see some top level American and Canadian sport articles about women. :) Not my area of interest, but if you need specific help, let me know. :) --LauraHale (talk) 20:10, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

I added some sections to the "sandbox" article and will try to add some more information to it tomorrow. Is this article intended to include professional leagues, university-level leagues, and also amateur leagues? I assume we will exclude amateur leagues (or the article will be too long!) Amateur leagues are so numerous, they should have a separate article (articles). I'm just asking so that I understand what the focus of this article will be. Speaking of adding "top level" women's sports articles, some of the national sports associations for women have very interesting history articles on their sites, that make a great starting point for some future articles. OttawaAC (talk) 01:49, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

In fact the idea to create the article origin of debates surrounding this Template:Major Leagues. At no time, they wanted to include both only really professional Women's leagues ( there namely Women's National Basketball Association (WNBA) and Women's Professional Soccer (WPS)) see the debate on the Template talk:Major Leagues). And the debate is far from being ended (see Template: Major League on Kaldari talk page [2]. I had to add both Women's professionnal leagues in the page Major professional sports leagues in the United States and Canada. See section Women's National Basketball Association and Women's Professional Soccer. I have then to think of grouping together on one page a summary (I indeed say a summary) on each of the most important Women's league in North America. At least as a supplement to the Template:Major women's sport leagues in North America. I classified them by sport:

Women's basketball
Women's ice hockey (one section of the page Ice hockey)
Women's soccer
Women's softball (for Softball )
Other sports (for Women's sport )

This allows the reader to have access in a clik to various articles existing. The choice to include such or such women league is arbitrary from my part. I don't know all the sports, nor all the existing Women's leaques. My choice (which is not definitive) concerned to the leagues which have a national character (and not local or regional) in our two countries ( United States and Canada). I excluded the former women's leagues (WUSA , NWHL) which do not exist any more. Thus leagues with character national which have a certain fame (accessible sources in the newspapers and magazines). Most are for character amateurs (in fact only 2 women leagues (WNBA and WPS) pay their players, the others for lack of financial means pay only transport and accommodation of the women players) The case of the women ice hockey: we have 4 most importants Leagues ( Canadian Women's Hockey League , Western Women's Hockey League , National Collegiate Women's Ice Hockey Championship and Canadian Interuniversity Sport women's ice hockey championship ) but nobody has a character professional ( Compared with the male National Hockey League). The players of the 4 women's ice hockey leaques are not paid and the audiences are very small (500 to 800 persons by match except during the playoffs where it there 3,000 to 5 000 persons). the budget of the Canadian Women's Hockey League , the most prestigious 4 leaques (prestigious because of the presence of numerous Olympian members of national teams USA - Canada) have an annual budget of $ 1.7 million with revenue $ 800,000. The television covers only championship matches and not the matches of season regular. I don't know if the situation is comparable in the other sports. In fact each of the leagues is to be studied to include them or not. Because each of the league has his particular situation. And in more it is necessary to find references. Furthermore I don't believe that it is necessary to write a long text on each league (pages on each of the leagues make him) only a short presentation or a summary. --Cordialement féministe ♀ Cordially feminist Geneviève (talk) 09:31, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

Women's basketball

In creating articles about various members of the Canberra Capitals it became clear there isn't a nice template for women basketball players. As women who have played in the WNBA and WNBL are notable, it would be nice to get a template for them. :) One that isn't as American centric with the NBA in it that the current one has. --LauraHale (talk) 20:53, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Bonsoir Laura, your idea is very good but I don't know how to make for all the technical. I have some more of difficulties (it takes me several hours) to realize a North American template. I do not still master the Wikipedia technique. --Cordialement féministe ♀ Cordially feminist Geneviève (talk) 01:34, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Bonjour Laura, this morning, I see one example (american players in U. S. National Soccer Team); Maybe this template help you for various members of the Camberra Capitals ? --Cordialement féministe ♀ Cordially feminist Geneviève (talk) 12:12, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Roller Derby

Any ideas on how to get roller derby leagues to upload pictures and otherwise contribute information to Wikipedia about the sport? --LauraHale (talk) 05:29, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

Hi - I'm trying to do something like that - I'm trying to create a wiki page for a local league in Western Australia, Western Australia Roller Derby. I'm encountering some ... resistance, which is arguing that the league (and the sport more generally) is not "notable". I'm new to this and would appreciate any help in defending the notability of the article. I would argue that between the regular newspaper and radio articles, WARD meets the notability criteria. Vector.Ward (talk) 04:26, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

It looks like it has notable sources to me. :/ The tags at the top suggest more problems with the writing of it, as being self promotional. (Randomly, while you may not be that interested in the Paralympics, if you can get ten points as part of Wikimedians to the Games, we can probably fly you from Perth to Canberra and the NSIC for a training session related to improving content of what you're interested in. You might want to learn how to use Wikinews because those sources are considered credible on Wikipedia, and they feed to Google News. Will comment on the talk page with some sources that I've found. --LauraHale (talk) 08:48, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for those - at a minimum they should highlight to the person who disagrees that it meets the objective Wikipedia notability criteria. I deleted the "notable" tag after putting my argument about notability forward. --Vector.Ward (talk) 10:55, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

I brought it up on Wikipedia:Australian Wikipedians' notice board‎, which could be pointed to. There is some source discussion there and others who might be useful. It looks like there is fairly extensive coverage once you figure out what keywords to look for in search newspaper databases. :) "WA Roller Derby" brought up over 50 results for me. WARD and "Roller derby" brought up about 34, of which 20 were on point. --LauraHale (talk) 19:36, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

I just had a look at the notice board - thanks for that! Quite a few of those points I had tried to make myself, but (having read some of the descriptions of the tags they applied to me), I felt they were more interested in biting the newcomer. Until roller derby becomes more mainstream and popular, I'm not sure how content can be generated without a related party trying to fight their internal COI. Vector.Ward (talk) 13:20, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia can be PITA. If you want to see a bit of a personal disaster, check out my my attempts to help on Sun State Roller Girls and the talk page. A lot of the time, it comes down to knowing where and who to ask for help, how to ask for help in compliance with Wikipedia's policies, knowing where to find sources, etc. You can edit articles with a COI. Editing Sport Biographies on Wikipedia begins to give a bit of an idea, and Paralympians have some similar issues which face roller derby. (It isn't recognised as being equal. Niche and limited audience interested in it. Media coverage can be hit or miss.) I can be really good at finding sources, have access to university databases, have a large personal library of sport related books and I'm based close enough to the National Sport Information Centre that for Australian sport, I can probably find you a sources to help with WP:GNG if it becomes an issue. :) (This list is about 4 months old but contains a fair number of materials in my personal library.) So yeah, if you need help, let me or some one in Wikimedia Australia know. :) --LauraHale (talk) 21:23, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Awesome. I was thinking about trying to answer your original question, but all my answers revolve around help proving WP:GNG and rapidly providing a supportive post on a new page's talk to prevent the author becoming viewed as an easy target for WP:DNB :S Vector.Ward (talk) 02:51, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

A little help and assistant to correct my English

Bonjour, I worked the page McGill Martlets ice hockey (a great historique women hockey team in Canada) with my new photos. Then I need of yours fellback, to make correct the text (spelling and syntax) saddened for the bad quality of my English language. Merci beaucoup de votre aide. תודה על העזרה שלך --Cordialement féministe ♀ Cordially feminist Geneviève (talk) 14:12, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Go, go,go the Women soccer fans

We need help and assistant to write on 5 Major leagues of women's soccer in North America (WPS, USL-League, WPSL, NCAA and CIS ). This is in the section Women's soccer leagues of the new page Major women's sport leagues in North America. Please Want to help us? thanks so much, merci beaucoup, תודה --Cordialement féministe ♀ Cordially feminist Geneviève (talk) 00:56, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Water polo in Australia

I'm working on getting the following articles ready for possible DYK nominations. (I'm holding off moving/copying into the main name space until after I get pictures, which will be Tuesday or Thursday of this week.) If people could help add information, edit or otherwise improve these articles about members of Australia women's national water polo team, that would be fantastic. :) Happy to share DYK credit, especially if people can add more content and improve. :) --LauraHale (talk) 00:54, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Suppressed section

An extended discussion that was here has been removed from the article history and hidden from view due to its defamatory nature. It is my opinion that suppression was justified under Wikipedia:Oversight. Please do not recreate it or continue it. User:Fred Bauder Talk 02:06, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Gender gap connected to conflict aversion and lower confidence among women

Since January 2011, Wikipedia's "Gender gap" has received much attention from Wikimedians, researchers and the media – triggered by a New York Times article that cited the estimate that only 12.64% of Wikipedia contributors are female. That figure came from the 2010 UNU-MERIT study, which was based on the first global, general survey of Wikipedia users, conducted in 2008 with 176,192 respondents using a methodology that had raised some questions (e.g. about sample bias and selection bias, other studies found similarly low ratios). A new paper titled "Conflict, Confidence, or Criticism: An Empirical Examination of the Gender Gap in Wikipedia"^[1] has now delved further into the data of the UNU-MERIT study, examining the responses to questions such as "Why don't you contribute to Wikipedia?" and "Why did you stop contributing to Wikipedia?", finding strong support for the following three hypotheses:

"H1: Female Wikipedia editors are less likely to contribute to Wikipedia due to the high level of conflict involved in the editing, debating, and defending process." ("Controlling for other factors females were 26% more likely to select 'I got into conflicts with other Wikipedia contributors' as a reason for no longer contributing. The coefficients for being afraid of being 'criticized' [31% higher probability to be selected by female users as a reason against becoming more active in Wikipedia], 'yelled at', and 'getting into trouble' are all significant".)
"H2: Female Wikipedia editors are less likely to contribute to Wikipedia due to gender differences in confidence in expertise to contribute and lower confidence in the value of their contribution. "
"H3: Female contributors are less likely to contribute to Wikipedia because they prefer to share and collaborate rather than delete and change other's work."

A fourth hypothesis likewise tested a conjecture that has been brought up several times in discussion about Wikipedia's gender gap:

"H4: Female contributors are less likely to contribute to Wikipedia because they have less discretionary time available to spend contributing".

However, the paper's authors argued that this conjecture was not borne out by the data, instead finding that "men are 19% more likely to select 'I didn't have time to go on' as a reason for no longer contributing."

source: Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2012-02-27/Recent research

This message was sent has our best male friends User talk:LtPowers, User talk:Voceditenore, User talk:Djsasso (administrator on Ice hockey wikiproject), User talk:Maple Leaf, Good luck and bonne chance, et מזל טוב --Cordialement féministe ♀ Cordially feminist Geneviève (talk) 02:01, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Um... I'm a woman. Don't know about the others it was sent to, but what exactly is the point of this? Voceditenore (talk) 13:46, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Deletion Discussion of interest to the project

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Maren Knudsen, Clavdia chauchat (talk) 19:47, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Congratulation for Fred Bauder

The --Vieux supporteur de hockey féminin (talk) 20:40, 17 March 2012 (UTC)Hockey Barnstar

Fred Bauder s'est finalement excusé aujourd'hui en prétextant des politiques de Wikipédia , c'est vrai Fred Bauder respecte les règles de Wikipédia et il a fait avancer les femmes sur Wikipedia, je lui remet cet honneur pour une contributrice qui a quitté Wikipédia [3], Bravo Fred Bauder continue ton beau travail de censure avec les femmes contributrices. La Fondation sera être fière de votre beau travail.--Vieux supporteur de hockey féminin (talk) 20:40, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Softball

The softball project is pretty quiet. Thus, it would be really great if I might be able to get some assistance here. :) I'm working on some pages on my user space with the idea of taking them to DYK. Any help improving them, adding more sources and more information, fixing the infoboxes or grammar or spelling would be much appreciated. The following are articles I am working on:

--LauraHale (talk) 20:43, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Help with women's national team articles

Hi. After File:FIFA national women's football teams by class.png was created, I decided I would try to create some of the wanted brown articles in my user space and then take them all to DYK. Below is a list of articles I am working on my userspace to get to length. They need some help with wikification (will get bare links last), adding more sources, improving the infobox, adding the country specific footer boxes, finding pictures, helping make them a bit more compliant with the manual of style for national team articles and adding more information. Any help would be appreciated. :) --LauraHale (talk) 17:47, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

AFC

CAF

CONCACAF

UEFA

AfD discussion of interest to the project

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Amy Sanders Clavdia chauchat (talk) 15:52, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

^ Collier, B., & Bear, J. (2012). Conflict, criticism, or confidence. Proceedings of the ACM 2012 conference on Computer Supported Cooperative Work - CSCW ’12 (p. 383). New York, New York, USA: ACM Press. PDF • DOI

[1] Collier, B., & Bear, J. (2012). Conflict, criticism, or confidence. Proceedings of the ACM 2012 conference on Computer Supported Cooperative Work - CSCW ’12 (p. 383). New York, New York, USA: ACM Press. PDF • DOI

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v t e Canadian Women's Hockey League
Final teams	Calgary Inferno Les Canadiennes de Montreal Markham Thunder Shenzhen KRS Vanke Rays Toronto Furies Worcester Blades
Defunct teams	Burlington Barracudas Mississauga Chiefs Ottawa Senators Quebec Phenix Vanke Rays Vaughan Flames
Seasons	2007–08 2008–09 2009–10 2010–11 2011–12 2012–13 2013–14 2014–15 2015–16 2016–17 2017–18 2018–19
Drafts	2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 2016 2017 2018
All-Star Games	2014 2016 2017 2019
Clarkson Cup	2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 2016 2017 2018 2019
Commissioners	Brenda Andress (2008–2018) Jayna Hefford Interim (2018–2019)
Outdoor Classic	2016 Outdoor Women's Classic