Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Warhammer 40,000/Mergers And Organization
Space Marine Characters
[edit]Do we move them into one large list, like List of Space Marines, or do we put them on their chapter's page? What do we do with chapters? --Falcorian (talk) 18:12, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
- I say we go for the List of Space Marines thing (and have each section after a particular chapter), and mention the characters on their chapter page, linking to the list. ≈ The Haunted Angel Review Me! 01:15, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
- This of course leaves the question of the chapters themselves... Where does their content go? I'm not sure the chapters are defendable as it were (except maybe those with Codexes?). --Falcorian (talk) 02:03, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
- Although it pains me to say it, the Chapters wouldn't survive an AfD: the Codex isn't an independent source. --Pak21 (talk) 08:42, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
- Well yes, but only about... 20 articles would -- those being the games themselves, the authors, novels, and of course companies. And I'm not sure I'm ready to just give them all up. ;-) But I think the first step is to merge the chapters somewhere... Possible the articles I have them listed under now (Second Founding and List of Space Marine Chapters) but then where after that? --Falcorian (talk) 16:31, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
- Although it pains me to say it, the Chapters wouldn't survive an AfD: the Codex isn't an independent source. --Pak21 (talk) 08:42, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
- This of course leaves the question of the chapters themselves... Where does their content go? I'm not sure the chapters are defendable as it were (except maybe those with Codexes?). --Falcorian (talk) 02:03, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
- Damn. Teach me to read instructions.
- Point The First: Are fictional characters notable?
- My answer: Only if they crop up in numerous publications and transcend the material written about them. Thus, Commander Dante might be notable, but Captain Idaeus is not.
- Point The Second: If they are notable, where should their information reside?
- My answer: Wikipedia disapproves of lists. Therefore, they shouldn't go there, and there isn't sufficient justification for this subject OK-ing list articles where many others do not. Having an article devoted to notable characters for which there are models is a possibility and definitely notable since they are real-world products available to buy and themselves have published articles written about the product itself. However, I'm not sure I approve of this one either. This leads me onto...
- Point The Third: Product-Centric or Universe-Centric?
- Is a Space Marine character a manufactured product that is available for purchase that has accompanying literature which may be notable, or is a Space Marine character a literary concept that is itself notable, that has an accompanying product?
- I would definitely go for the former. As an example, the entirety of the material available on Commander Dante should be:
- Within an article "Space Marines" in a subsection "Notable Space Marines"
- Focused on the fact that a Commander Dante with Honour Guard boxed set is available for purchase, show it, and perhaps reference a few White Dwarf snippets
- Reference Dante's appearances in published literature, for example the Second War for Armageddon, where the other Space Marine commanders unanimously supported placing him in overall command thanks to his reputation
- And that should be it. Sojourner001 (talk) 12:33, 27 December 2007 (UTC)