Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television/The Twilight Zone task force

Opening/Closing narration

[1] this IP contributiosn mostly consist of removing the opening/closing narration. As I'm not a member of this group, I don't know if those are a valued part of the layout (I like them...) or if the removal was justified by other discussion. Someone familiar should review. SchmuckyTheCat (talk)

Request for comment

This WikiProject fails to consider the notabilities of, the reliable sources for, and the avoidance of violating WP:PLOT to provide real-world context for all episodes of The Twilight Zone. I have tagged articles of Season 1 episodes for lacking either sources not affiliated with topics and/or sufficient balance between real-world and fiction; right now I'm too exhausted to inspect other episodes not in Season 1. --George Ho (talk) 21:27, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

As it currently reads, WP PLOT only refers to Wikipedia coverage about works. There is general agreement that the overall Wikipedia description of a work needs some non-plot context--which is typically provided by information about production and reception. There is no requirement in policy that the treatment of every individual element must have such context, whether an episode, or a character.

Nor is there need for outside sources for the plot information; the most RS for the simple description of the plot of a work is the work itself; it's one of the exceptions about using primary sources. For interpretation of the plot, secondary sources must of course be used.

The best way of achieving balance for material too centered on plot is to add additional material that is about other aspects. Every episode in a series has real world information that can be added about the production: who the actors were in the episode, when and when it was filmed, when it was shown, Ofter there's information about reception: such as the popularity of the episode. So anyone who thinks we need better balance can take care of it themselves without deleting anything: if the plot is insufficient, add to it; if excessive, add something else as well as it. DGG ( talk ) 18:21, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

I think: Plot in any way is excessive for now. The impact, production notes, and reception on reality should have come first, not plot. Is episode not a work? --George Ho (talk) 20:50, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Episode is no more a work than a chapter in a book is. It's a part of a work, which for a very important show we usually discuss separately. I think this qualifies as such a show. I agree the proportion of plot is excessive. So add the material you want and the proportion will not be excessive. There's no way we can force people here to write on anything they do not wish to, and, of course, many people find plot is usually easier. My own view, is that we should certainly encourage people to do a balanced presentation from the start, and I would be reluctant myself to write a plot only article even as a beginning, but if they do not do all they should, others can add to it. Wikipedia does not grow by removing material, but by adding it. DGG ( talk ) 05:33, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Season 1 episodes

Let's start with "Where Is Everybody?" There are problems that I cannot explain. Production notes looks either OR, if not unsourced. If Wikipedia grows by adding, then why do some entries appeared to have chances to be removed? --George Ho (talk) 06:15, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Apart from needing a couple more references, the article looks okay to me. If this is an example of the problems George is finding, I don't see much of an issue. Hope this helps. All the best, Miniapolis (talk) 02:05, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Well, Production Notes is unreferenced. Let's check episodes from List of The Twilight Zone episodes#Season 1: (1959–1960). "Mr. Denton on Doomsday". --George Ho (talk) 02:19, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

I agree that the Production information section is problematic. Several references may be required to avoid problems with WP:OR and WP:V. I think that it would be better to focus on "Where Is Everybody?" rather than move on to other articles. -- JTSchreiber (talk) 06:13, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

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Harej (talk) 16:57, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Opening/Closing narration...again

Do the "Opening/Closing narration" sections on many TZ episode articles fall under WP:NFF? Many have already been removed, but after a while someone will usually re-add these quotes to the articles. I would really like a definitive answer to this question so episode articles can remain consistent, so please let me know if you have any thoughts. There was this discussion about it from a while ago, but it was inconclusive. In my opinion, on most articles the quotes are too short to be copyright violations, however there are some instances where the quotes get fairly long. Sro23 (talk) 05:21, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

I think you meant WP:NFC. I personally don't have an opinion. There are others more knowledgeable in this area than me. —Musdan77 (talk) 05:10, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

2002 TV series episode articles

Please take a look here and here. A few days ago, every episode article from the 2002 series has been redirected to the main article without discussion. Sro23 (talk) 03:15, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

A Game of Pool (1961 The Twilight Zone) listed at Requested moves

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The Twilight Zone (1959 TV series) (season 1) listed at Requested moves

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Turn this WikiProject into a Taskforce?

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"Importance" templates created and /Articles page created to discuss article assessments

I realize this WikiProject is inactive, but until recently Special:WantedCategories showed Category:Unknown-importance The Twilight Zone articles‏‎ as the largest non-existing category.

I just created Category:The Twilight Zone articles by importance and its "child" xxxx-importance The Twilight Zone articles categories for Top, High, Mid, Low, NA, and Unknown. I did not bother with Redirect and other possible categories, those can be created as needed.

I also created a "stub" page at Wikipedia:WikiProject The Twilight Zone/Articles which should be used for assessments. Wikipedia:WikiProject Television/Stargate task force/Articles might be a good page to crib from. I've put a "softredirect" on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject The Twilight Zone/Articles pointing people to this talk page. Should the /Articles page become more than a placeholder page, I would expect that page's talk page to be replaced with standard talk-page WikiProject headers. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 21:23, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Merge the '80s episode articles?

There are many cases where individual episodes have their own articles, but the '80s TZ appears to be a unique case in having different parts of episodes have their own episodes- starting with Shatterday and A Little Peace and Quiet instead of Shatterday/A Little Peace and Quiet, a title format you can see in book sources. Other TV episodes in segments like Treehouse of Horror V aren't broken up into The Shinning and Nightmare Cafeteria. Time to merge? Ribbet32 (talk) 03:19, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

Closing inactive task forces

I invite editors to join the discussion at WP:WikiProject Television to close inactive task forces, including this one. Gonnym (talk) 12:11, 10 July 2021 (UTC)