Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Snooker/Archives/2022/November

Senior events

Hi! We've had an IP change a lot of the World Seniors events to different definitions (some professional, some non-ranking, some "invitational"). This includes changing the definition on players pages. As far as I am concerned these are amateur events for senior players, so the only categorisation is "seniors". Let me know your thoughts. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:39, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

It's clearly DF147 returned. He's the only one so obsessed with categorisation. To me "senior" is a nice clear category whereas things like non-ranking and invitational seem decidedly ill-defined. Nigej (talk) 19:50, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

I'm still of the view that removing non-ranking wins from the infobox might help. While it doesn't resolve the issue at hand, I feel that its existence does encourage his recategorisation. Not so long ago he was trying to add "Non-ranking" wins to Walter Donaldson (snooker player), something the rest of us find very odd. Nigej (talk) 19:59, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

I've fixed up the articles, but I haven't got the played bios. My impression is that only quantifiable facts (and ones that people care about) should be in the infobox, which would just be ranking events wins. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:16, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Indeed, the fact that Steve Davis has apparently won 56 (previously 54) of these while Mary Selby has won 9 and Judd Trump has won 7 is all utterly meaningless. Time for it to go until we have some have some meaningful categorisation that distinguishes between the Warsaw Snooker Tour/HK Spring Trophy/etc and the Masters Nigej (talk) 20:33, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Based on this discussion and previous ones that I recollect, I don't remember any objections to the removal of the non-ranking parameter from the infobox (except DF147). On that basis I'll go ahead with removing it. Of course, if we ever get any sources for this total we could add it back, but at the moment there seems to be nothing. Ideally we'd have a source saying x won n non-ranking events but even a precise definition of what a "non-ranking" event is, and a list of such events, would be a possible way forward in the future. Nigej (talk) 06:32, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

I am just wondering why minor ranking needs to be removed as they are the easiest events to track down as there were only 65 events staged. The full list of the PTC events that were held are listed on the Players Tour Championship page. Full list of winners and events won on that page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.233.126.173 (talk) 12:57, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Typo corrected. Nigej (talk) 13:36, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Triple Crown information in infobox

I'm wondering whether it would be a good idea to add some Triple Crown information to {{Infobox snooker player}}. At the moment we list world championship wins (eg "World Champion 2001 2004 2008 2012 2013 2020 2022" for Ronnie O'Sullivan) but the number of Triple Crown events won and the dates of those are not in the infobox. We could simply add eg "Triple Crown 21" (I think it would be clear that these were Triple Crown events rather than Triple Crowns since it would be in the "Tournament wins" section) or we could use the World Champion style and add the years eg "Masters 1995 2005 2007 2009 2014 2016 2017" (and similarly for the UK). Nigej (talk) 08:16, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

I do think the way that the three events are treated are very similar to say, the tennis "grand slam" and golf "majors". However, I'd be against treating it the same way as they do in those spears, where the best finish for each event is commented on for every player. I wouldn't be against a total amount of wins to go next to the ranking titles wins, and also list all world championships, as clearly that is a significantly more prominent event. I do think it's worth mentioning the Triple Crown events on its own in the infobox, provided we don't list the amounts (as it'll be in the prose) and we don't do something silly like "Triple Crown: 0"... Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:34, 10 November 2022 (UTC)