Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Russia/Russia-related Wikipedia notice board/Archive0

Archive1 Zscout370 01:40, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Military history of the Soviet Union

Soviet military history is the current collaboration of the week. It's short of editors, so hopefully the people who follow this page will start working on it. 172 22:44, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)

COTW finished. Mikkalai 23:57, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Closed cities

I've started an article at closed city, and submitted it to DYN, but it's too stubby to qualify to be posted on the main page. I've exhausted my meagre store of knowledge on the subject. If anyone knows a little more, please make an addition to the article; even a sentence or two would help. —Michael Z. 2005-03-21 15:47 Z

Thanks for pitching in, all. Closed city is on the main page today. —Michael Z. 2005-03-23 16:22 Z

Two new Russia related stubs proposed created: East-Slavic-history stub and Russian-history stub

I suggest to create a new template (I can do it myself if there is a consensus) for a stub named above. Good candidates would be princes (knyaz'ya) for the period from Earlier East Slavic History (for example Yaropolk) or even from the later times (Knyaz Konstantin Konstantinovich Ostrozhskiy), events like the Battle on the Irpen' River or locations (like Ros' River), Halych, Chernyhiv/Chernigov, etc. Such stubs would cover the old time events that would have a place in history books of Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, Lithuania and, to a lesser degree, Poland. Hist-stub seems too broad for such articles and ru-stub, ua-stub or by-stub seem too narrow and may also cause unnecessary flames. Please comment...

Also, having the russian-history-stub seems appropriate in addition to ru-stub and ru-geo-stub. Is there a reason not to? Irpen 18:56, Mar 21, 2005 (UTC)

• Your call, but whatever you do, I will support you. Zscout370 00:53, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Since there were no objections, I just created the {{East-Slavic-history-stub}} and {{Russian-history-stub}} templates. To test drive them, I changed the stub messages in several articles from hist-stub, Russia-stub and Ukraine-stub to "East-Slavic-history stub" or "Russian-history-stub". Article that have these new stub templates at the bottom will appear in Category:East_Slavic_history_stubs or Category:Russian_history_stubs, respectively. I hope other editors will find it handy and use it in newly created articles in appropriate topics. If this stub usefulness passes the time test, we can gradually change stub notes in more ru- , ua- , by- and other related articles.

Sometimes it may be difficult to make a choice between these stubs. My opinion that most of what happened roughly over 100-150 years ago (maybe we can set a better threshold though) should go to one of the two historical stubs rather to Russia-stub. Historic locations (cities, rivers, regions) would get both geo-stub and history-stub templates. I admit that the choice between Russian-history and East-Slavic history categories is sometimes not crystal clear. My opinion, if in doubt use East-Slavic category. I hope everyone finds this useful. Irpen 01:49, Mar 28, 2005 (UTC)

I found out that there was a dedicated Wikiproject devoted to ordering and sorting the stubs by being contacted by user:Grutness, who noticed two stubs I created. There is apparently a procedure to bring up new stub proposals at Wikipedia: WikiProject Stub sorting/Criteria. However, the stub sorters didn't question the rational of these stubs. Please look at the announcement at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Stub_sorting/Criteria#Newly-discovered_stub_categories. They would like to know should Category: Russian history stubs be a subcategory of Category:East Slavic history stubs. Could you please voice your opinions on that? Thanks! Irpen 17:13, Mar 28, 2005 (UTC)

• I think that one should not be a subcategory of the other. They should both appear as two independent subcategories of Category:Historical stubs. —Irpen
• If you'd like to express your opinion, please write it here

Hi - Grutness here from WP:WSS - I have a question: What is to be done with stubs relating to the history of the Soviet Union? East Slavic would make sense, but as I understand it that wouldn't cover the Central Asian republics, nor those in the Caucasus. Or should these wait until WP:WSS has decided how to divide up 20th century history stubs? Grutness|^hello? 00:04, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC) PS - I've tidied the presentation of stubs on the project page up a bit, adding in Russia-bio-stub, which wasn't listed there. Hope that's OK!

Anything related to Soviet times should not go into East-Slavic category in any way, I think. The purpose I had in mind when creating a separate East-Slavic-history stub was not to provide a general cover for the histories of several nations, but to provide the separate category for the history of the time when East-Slavic people didn't yet evolve into three separate nations. I would build the rough timeline for categorization something like this:

• up to 14th century definitely all historical events of Kievan Rus, all post Kievan Rus Grand Duchies, including territories of Vladimir, Suzdal, Novgorod should go to East Slavic rather than Russian history category. Events related to the Halych-Volynia principality of that time should also go into East-Slavic rather than Ukrainian category
• 14th-16th centuries. Some events may go to Russian History category (or Ukrainian category), but many events are still in East-Slavic category.
• 16th, 17th and part of 18th century. Most events go to national history categories with very few still eligible to be classified into East-Slavic history as a whole.
• Last 200-250 years. Everything goes to the national history categories.

My opinion is that all National History categories and East Slavic history category should be independent subcategories of History category and not subcategories of each other in any way. Irpen 06:13, Mar 30, 2005 (UTC)

Order of Victory

Dear All, I was wondering if you guys can check the work that was done on the Order of Victory page. A Wikipedian already put the names of various items in Russian and I want to see if the criteria of the Order and anything else you can think of is accurate. And if yall see fit to do this, you can get rid of the cleanup tag. Thanks in advance. Zscout370 00:56, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Marshal of the Soviet Union

Will it be ok if I created a template for this category? Zscout370 01:41, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Note, here it is. Zscout370 01:21, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Maybe better to arrange them chronologically rather than alphabetically? Just auggestion. Irpen 04:02, Apr 11, 2005 (UTC)

I also wish to point out that I only included the names that had Wikipedia articles. Once more are added, I will add on to this template. On the main Marshal's page, it has the order which Marshal received their rank. Zscout370 10:57, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

If you have the full list, add them now; it will encourage additions, and show us what the finished product will look like anyway. Would it look okay with the colour toned down somewhat? The yellow is very intense, and the red heading looks like a broken link in Wikipedia. —Michael Z. 2005-04-11 17:59 Z

I will go ahead and put the full list of Marhsals in the template. However, I wish to stick to the colors, since they are very close in shade to the colors of the patches of the rank. Zscout370 18:06, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I definitely object to red text. That has a very specific, practical meaning in Wikipedia. The yellow background is more of a matter of taste. How about toning it down some? (I also made the table code a bit more concise in the version below.)

One more point: this template doesn't really add much to Category:Marshals of the Soviet Union.

Your right, I will have to change the red color. As for the gold color, I wish to keep it the same. Plus, once I begin to add the names that do not have articles, I believe it will have more substance than the category, since it only lists pages that have been completed on Marshals of the Soviet Union. Plus, to let yall know, I am going to name this template MarshalSU. Zscout370 19:48, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Good point about the missing names. Would it make sense to subdivide them in the template, e.g. by date of appointment?

1. 1917-1940
2. 1941-1945
3. 1946-1990

I find abbreviated template names cryptic and hard to type from memory. Why not name it using the naming conventions for articles, like one of the following? —Michael Z. 2005-04-11 20:46 Z

• Template:Marshals of the Soviet Union
• Template:Marshals of the Soviet Union navbox
• Template:Soviet Marshals navbox

Ok, this is the final one (Really, I promise). Zscout370 21:55, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Samogon VfD

Samogon has been nominated for deletion. Check it out and express your opinion here. Grue 18:45, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

copyvio on ru:WP

I wanted to translate to English ru:Рушева, Надя and came to the conclusion that the article there is a copyvio. I posted a link to the article under Wikipedia:Copyright_problems#April_22, since I haven't found a similar listing over at ru:WP. I have now managed to convince the original submitter to at least put an acknowledging link to his main source, but I am still in doubt that it is legit as it is, esp. w/o direct quotation of the sources; it looks like >80% of the contents of the article is unoriginal. Please have a look there if you can, also at the discussion (in Russian). BACbKA 10:52, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Article Improvement Drive

To let yall know, the article on Vladimir Putin has been nominated for a article improvement drive. Please leave your comments at Wikipedia:Article_improvement_drive#Vladimir_Putin.2A. Zscout370 15:12, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

• Note, the article on Putin is now one of two weekly Article Improvements. The other one is theatre. Zscout370 01:54, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Novorossiya stub created

If anyone feels like improving it, please do so. Also, please remember the RU-UA sensitivities. Irpen 00:55, May 15, 2005 (UTC)

it's embarrassing

Could someone please either follow or fix the ru:interwiki link at Anton Chekhov. It's embarassing to see it empty. ←Humus sapiens←Talk 10:18, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

• It seems like there is no article about Chekhov in Russian Wikipedia. Really strange... Grue 14:08, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

• Article requests welcome at ru:Википедия:Запросы --User:ACrush

Great and Little Russia articles

Now with the Russia Wikiportal replacing the notice board for many purposes, I am not sure where to post announcements, so I will post another one here about two new articles available for edits.

Article Great Russia and Little Russia were just redirects to Russia and Ukraine, respectively. OTOH, there is a good White Russia article. So, both Great and Little Russia articles are now created that concetrate on the terms themselves and if anyone feels like improving them, please do so. Irpen 04:10, May 23, 2005 (UTC)

I will place those at the Wikiportal under the RCOTW. I will rename the section to "Russian Collaboration Projects," since there will be a lot of things we can do together to make the Russian articles great on Wikipedia. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 04:52, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

Done. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 04:56, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

Replied at portal's talk page. Irpen 05:30, May 23, 2005 (UTC)

New stub template found

Zdravstvuite! Over at WikiProject Stub sorting we've just discovered a new stub template which may be of use to you in sorting articles here - for articles connected with the Soviet era. It was created my a member of your project, so you may already know about it, but I've added details of it to your project page so that it's more widely known - hope it is useful. Grutness...wha? 04:06, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

Well, we can add it to a section of the Russian Wikiportal, but I am not sure how it will be done. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 04:09, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

Ah, the culprit himself! :) Sorry I can't help as far as putting it on the wikiportal is concerned, I don't know how you'd do that. Grutness...wha? 04:12, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

I'll do it. In the future, drop a note on my talk page and I will place it in the Portal. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 04:21, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

I did it as a temp part time portal admin by appointment of Zscout :). See Portal:Russia/Things you can do whether I did it right. Happy birthdays to you both. Irpen 05:15, May 26, 2005 (UTC)

Adminship

Hi folks, I've asked for Adminship here. Your support would be appreciated! Cheers Seabhcán 14:54, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

Title of the notice board

This page has been moved from "Wikipedia:Russian wikipedians' notice board" to "Wikipedia:Russian Wikipedians' notice board" on Apr 12, 2005 by User:Timwi (See edit history). — Instantnood 14:08, May 31, 2005 (UTC)

Volost' and Uyezd articles

New stubs: Volost and Uyezd. Please improve. Irpen 19:57, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)

Rus' articles

I would like to have an Etymology of Rus and derivatives article moved to Rus. Then to place {{otheruses}} on the top of it, which would link to Rus (disambiguation) for articles on Rus' (people) and Kievan Rus'. The reason is that if one wants to link the word Rus within the body of the article, the Etimology article is the most likely place one would want it linked to. This would just make things easier. It can't be moved right now, because [[Rus]] is the article with an established history. So, it has to go through a "proposed move" page, I would like to get some feedback, whether the idea seems feasable to the editors who most likely care. Thanks! -Irpen 00:13, Jun 9, 2005 (UTC)

That makes sense, but I would go just a bit further. The list of East Slavic Rus'-related links could also go at the top of the etymology article, so one only has to refer to the disambiguation page if looking for the Danish and Yiddish words.

You may not have to go through the requested moves procedure for technical reasons. Rus doesn't have a history, although Rus' does—which do we want the article at? Lately I've been favouring titles in the simplified transliteration, without apostrophes. But Rus’ with the apostrophe is so commonly used that I think it's more instantly recognizable and unambiguous.

Incidentally, Rus' and Rus (disambiguation) have always been disambig pages without any real content, so there's no worry about losing their history. —Michael Z. 2005-06-17 04:29 Z

Russian name?

Missing at Muscovy Company. Could you also check for Russian interwiki link and perhaps add some more info from Russian language pages, if they exist? I find this company quite fascinating. Also, if you have access to Russian sources, could you check if the company had any dealings with Holy Roman Empire, Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and other non-UK/Muscovy countries? I found a source stating it had some dealings in Silesia in 17th century and would like to know more about it. Tnx. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 11:19, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

above note cross-posted to Wikipedia:Wikiportal/Russia/Russia-related_Wikipedia_notice_board#Muscovy_Company that seems to be more active. -Irpen 04:44, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)

Michael Z's nomination for adminship

Hi, folks. I've been nominated for adminship. Many of you have probably collaborated, discussed, or perhaps shaken up some articles with me over the last few months. If you have a minute, please have a look at my nomination and leave a comment. Regards. —Michael Z. 2005-06-24 17:19 Z

Russian speaker desired

We are looking for some info about the discoverer of the Maximum power theorem, Moritz Hermann Jacobi. See Talk:Maximum_power_theorem#Jacobis_Theorem. The references are here:

[1] [2] [3] [4]

I confess to being rather Russia-ignorant, so I hope I am correct in thinking that these articles are in Russian. If not, I am sure you can point me in the right direction.  :-) We're just wondering about the phrase "Jacobi's theorem", I guess. My guess is that the term is Russia-specific, which is why some Americans haven't heard of it. - Omegatron 03:33, August 15, 2005 (UTC)

• I concur. See my response on the Talk page. --DmitryKo 16:04, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

You agree that "it's a Russian phrase which is why Americans haven't heard of it"? You seem to say it's not a real phrase at all on that talk page. - Omegatron 00:17, August 16, 2005 (UTC)

No, I don't. There's no mention of the works by Moritz von Jacobi ( AKA Борис Семёнович Якоби), neither in general physics courses nor electrotechnics courses for high education (and I studied both of these not that long ago). But, there is a mention of the works by his brother, Carl Gustav Jakob Jacobi, in "theoretical mechanics" courses studied Russian math students in their late semesters (Russian: теоретическая механика, often abbreviated as термех by students) (see my link on the talk page for the list of books recommended by the Ministry of Education). This is the only sensible meaning of Jakobi's theorem (Теорема Якоби) that I've found. --DmitryKo 11:00, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

Deletion list

Hello,

I just wanted to let you know about a list of Russia-related items on Votes for Deletion. It's part of WikiProject Deletion sorting, and you can find it here. I hope you can use it to track and contribute to Russia-related deletion debates. If you find the list useful, please also help keep it up to date.

By the way, new deletion sorters are welcome and needed. Join us!

Cheers,

-- Visviva 03:37, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

Assorted Russian politics questions

Copied from here:

11. After the successful referendum on unification in Kamchatka Oblast and Permyakia, what's the date on which Kamchatka Krai will come into existence? This seems to suggest 1 January 2007, just like the Krasnoyarsk Krai merger, but it's not definite, is it?

And is the date I've read about for a referendum on merging in Irkutsk and Ust-Orda Buryatia, 16 April 2006, already official?

Thanks for any information you might be able to contribute. ナイトスタリオン ✉ 09:25, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

Small Gogol question

I have brief questions regarding some of the works listed on Nikolai Gogol. Are The Mysterious Portrait and The Portrait one work or two? Also, should Evenings on a Farm Near Dikanka, which seems to be the most common English language title, be rendered as something else, like Village Evenings near Dikanka and Morgorod, as it is listed in the "Works" section of the Gogol article? Thanks. NatusRoma 06:57, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Evacuation of Soviet industry to Ural

Red link - and my 'article request'. I think this is a fascinating subject I have read almost nothing about and I'd just love for somebody to write at least a stub on this. Think of it as a XMAS gift :) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 22:25, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Piotr or Pyotr

As in the question. Which one should we use (I know in Polish it's Piotr, what about other Slavic languages?)--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 21:59, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Mauthausen-Gusen

Hello all. I thought that some of you might be interested in further expansion and correction of the article on the Mauthausen-Gusen concentration camp complex. As Soviet people and Poles (of all nationalities) formed the largest group of all the inmates some of you might have access to some memoirs or monographs that could be useful. Besides, the article is also a current FAC, so you might also want to take a look at the voting :) //Halibutt 13:23, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Federation of Independent Trade Unions of Russia

this article was just created, and could probably use a good look from this board, if only to add the proper Russian name in cyrillic. Circeus 15:48, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Request for translation, again

For the title of the reference book in Moscow Triumphal Gates. Circeus 01:44, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Standard naming scheme

Please see the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Regional notice boards#A uniform naming scheme. Zocky | picture popups 00:52, 14 July 2006 (UTC)