Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Rowing/Archive 3

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Assessment help

I went through and rated the vast majority of unassessed rowing articles. I rated a few that I did a fair amount of worked on. Could some one check the rating on the following articles?
Ellis Ward
Edwin Sweetland
Biglin Brothers
George Washington Woodruff
Edward Ten Eyck
James A. Ten Eyck
Most were already rated from another project, so it should not be that big of a deal. Thanks 09er (talk) 18:31, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Glasgow Rowing Club

This article has been proposed for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2008 January 23#Glasgow Rowing Club. Please give your expert opinion on this discussion. --Bduke (talk) 01:21, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

The result was to Keep the article 09er (talk) 00:29, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Project page update?

I've created a new version of the project page here:

User:09er/Sandbox/Rowing

It is based off WikiProject Turnkey Project templates. Several other projects are using these templates. I think it make the project page a little easier to use and has a more professional look. Here is a list of other projects using Turnkey:

Please let me know what you think and hopefully we can come to a consensus on updating the page. 09er (talk) 19:16, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Sorry I forgot the list of projects using Turnkey.

09er (talk) 23:11, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

No responses, pro or con, in over two weeks. I will give it another two weeks for comments. If no one will responds then I will make the change. 09er (talk) 15:07, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Good job. I like it.--The Spith (talk) 20:23, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

I am going to update the front page today09er (talk) 14:09, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Rowing Venues

I have changed the succession boxes on the world rowing champs venues to a new template format - feedback appreciated (Durham12 09.03.08) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Durham12 (talk • contribs) 15:08, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

I always like templates over those boxes. If any body else wants to take a look, Lake Bled is a good example.09er (talk) 01:14, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

University rowing (UK)

I've added a list of appropriate rowing clubs to the University rowing (UK) article, though tracking them all down is proving hard. Also, in addition I'm trying to link any collegiate clubs from their parent university's boat club article (e.g. Jesus College Boat Club from Oxford University Boat Club) so as to tie them all together.

Will also be trying to create articles for those colleges at Oxford, Cambridge and University of London that don't yet have boat club articles. Any help in any of these things much appreciated! Grunners (talk) 13:15, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Westover and Bournemouth Rowing Club

An article that you have be interested in, Westover and Bournemouth Rowing Club, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Westover and Bournemouth Rowing Club. Thank you.Paulbrock (talk) 02:26, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

"Turnkey Project" changes

On the Project page I have reverted the changes related to the "Turnkey Project", made earlier today. Those changes reformatted the page, and in doing so the section headers became unreadable because of the colour scheme chosen. The means of editing the page was supposedly changed, but it wasn't obvious where edits could be undertaken. [It is possible that something was hidden in the unreadable section headers?] If anyone wants to undertake such revisions, then perhaps they might wish to discuss them here on the talk page and obtain consensus among the contibutors to this project before undertaking such a fundamental change. David Biddulph (talk) 19:37, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

It was discussed. On February 13, 2008 I posted the idea for a new project page on this page (see four spots above) and asked for comments. I again asked for comments on February 29, 2008. In 2 ½ months I only had one response and that was positive. It is sad to say but 2 positive (including myself) versus 0 negatives is about as much of consensus you get on this project. If there is a consensus that this is not constructive for this project then I will bow to the majority. If color is a problem then that can be adjusted. I will wait a few days to hear from others before I revert it back to Turnkey project. 09er (talk) 20:02, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

My apologies. I missed the original discussion above. I'm happy to let the majority view prevail when other folk have compared the versions. The structure of the new page does look more organised, so if you can sort out the colour scheme I'd be happier. David Biddulph (talk) 20:57, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

No need to apologies, I am glad someone noticed the change. Sometimes I wonder if I am the only one working on this project. Hopefully this will spur more members to take a look. I still think we should wait a few days before we make a final decision. Hopefully with more feed back. For those that are interested click here for the prototype. Note, I changed the colors to a lighter neutral.09er (talk) 21:19, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

I will share my thoughts. I think the changes do make it look more organised, and probably make it quicker to find the information wanted from the page. In terms of colour, blue would be my choice, though as David has mentioned the colours need to be much lighter, possibly white text for the headers (if that's allowed). The main problem with the two colour schemes you've chosen is that they are both quite similar to link colours, active and inactive ones, which come up blue and red, this could make them difficult to read by some contributors. Jono Watkins (talk) 10:19, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

I have updated the colors again. I used colors from the Wikipedia main page. For those that are interested click here for the prototype. I am also going to visit other projects and see how they are set up. My only goal is to have our front page more organized and a more professional look. 09er (talk) 13:53, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

With the lighter header colours (either of the two more recent variants), this looks a lot better, and I'd be happy with the change. David Biddulph (talk) 09:47, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Changes to the WP:1.0 assessment scheme

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Bournemouth university boat club

You might wish to take a look at this article which is proposed for deletion and was not tagged for your Project. --Bduke (talk) 01:18, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

and another, PLU Crew, although this one was tagged for the Project. --Bduke (talk) 05:01, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Scull tennis anyone?

Can someone who knows something about rowing take a look at the section "Scull tennis" in the article Sculling. It does not seem very legitimate to me and looks like a prank. If it is legitimate I'd like to see a reference in this section. Thanks SuW (talk) 03:42, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Articles flagged for cleanup

Currently, 1178 articles are assigned to this project, of which 93, or 7.9%, are flagged for cleanup of some sort. (Data as of 14 July 2008.) Are you interested in finding out more? I am offering to generate cleanup to-do lists on a project or work group level. See User:B. Wolterding/Cleanup listings for details. More than 150 projects and work groups have already subscribed, and adding a subscription for yours is easy - just place the following template on your project page:

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Feedback on Jesus College Boat Club (Oxford) please

I've rewritten Jesus College Boat Club (Oxford) but would appreciate some input/advice from others before I try for GA status. Are there any topics that you would expect the article to contain that it does not? Thanks, Bencherlite ^Talk 23:47, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Congratulation on moving the article to GA. 09er (talk) 02:52, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Rowing Club Template

I have just created a new Infobox for rowing clubs: {{Infobox Rowing Club}}

For an example see: City of Cambridge Rowing Club

I would appreciate any input the wikiproject has on this... --Ozhiker (talk) 13:43, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Good work! I suggest an additional field for an image of the Rowing Club's clubhouse. Suggest "Home Water" as an alternative to "WaterName". I have a feeling that the "Distinctions" field may be too general but not sure what to suggest as an alternative.James of Putney (talk) 17:09, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

I think the issue with distinctions is - where do you draw the line? You don't want some club putting up every 3rd grade lightweight victory it's achieved at the state level. Perhaps distinctions should be restricted to National level championship wins in major boat categories (haha, there's another can of worms right there!) and/or "major regatta wins", and Notable Members should be restricted to those who have won a medal at an international level, or are otherwise notable in their own right. Comments? --Yeti Hunter (talk) 09:30, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes and no... Different clubs have different views on the importance of races ... for instance, in Cambridge and Oxford, the most important races are the The Boat Race and Bumps - Regattas and the like are much less important as college rowers are on holidays. I'm not sure what the answer is either - perhaps a maximum number of list items? --Ozhiker (talk) 10:07, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

I've added a field for a Clubhouse photo and changed WaterName to HomeWater --Ozhiker (talk) 10:08, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia 0.7 articles have been selected for Rowing

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Cox Command system article?

As I'm sure many of you know, coxwains use a set list of commands to efficiently direct the crew, referring to the crew by their seating position and using commands such as 'turning to heads' to provide clear instruction. I propose an article on rowing command systems and terminology. Racooon (talk) 20:08, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Sounds good stuff to have - is it too big to go in the coxswain (rowing article). This currently has a pile of splats on the top so it would be good if someone in the know could steer that in the right direction. Motmit (talk) 20:29, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Would it be appropriate to add the commands to Glossary of rowing terms? 09er (talk) 01:29, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Oar-some stuff =) Racooon (talk) 18:54, 13 October 2008 (UTC)