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Pro football's All-Decade team of the 1960s

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Does anyone know what is "pro football's All-Decade team of the 1960s"? It's mentioned in obits for Billy Shaw.[1] It's in the WP article too, so I was initially thiking that it was a case of WP:CIRCULAR, but I see that it's in a 1999 issue of The Coffin Corner. There's AFL All-Time Team, and NFL 1960s All-Decade Team is only for NFL. Was there an AFL–NFL decade team?—Bagumba (talk) 13:46, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Good article reassessment for 1920 Canton Bulldogs season

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1920 Canton Bulldogs season has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 23:54, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Why does this link redirect to the 1990 NFL Draft Page. What happened to his page? Kelliecharging (talk) 01:16, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Someone redirected it without discussion. This guy started 103 games so I restored the article. That's terrible. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 01:25, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Absolutely ridiculous.-- Yankees10 01:26, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you Kelliecharging (talk) 01:27, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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HI

the abbreviation (NF-Inj.) no longer works.

Please help

Kelliecharging (talk) 01:21, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

NFL Rosters

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Hi

When a final roster is listed on a team page. Is the final roster the final PostSeaon roster or the Final Regular season roster. I just got a message from a user that is upset because after he edited the regular season roster into the final postseason roster. I changed it back. who is correct on this

Kelliecharging (talk) 19:54, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What page was this? And final rosters get put in once a regular season is complete and they have been eliminated from playoff contention. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 20:11, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So does that mean the final rosters on the team pages include players on the post season roster? The pages I'm talking about are the Patriots pages with Tom Brady Kelliecharging (talk) 20:43, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, they should basically be a snapshot of the last gameday roster regardless if it was Week 18 or the Super Bowl. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 20:49, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Source Help

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For the life of me, I can't find a source for the following:

I have my Newspapers.com access back (ironically not through Wikipedia, but I can access directly through Newspapers.com now) but still can't find anything. Any help would be greatly appreciated! « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 23:27, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For NEA, try checking the World Almanac source listed at Newspaper Enterprise Association NFL Defensive Player of the Year Award, except the Internet Archive is down right now because of a hack. World Almanac used to be part of NEA, and would list some of their awards. When I fully sourced NEA's Jim Thorpe Trophy (MVP), I never found anything definitive stating "this is the end". Luckily, PFR also had the list, and it matched the last newspaper announcement I could find. But that's not always bulletproof. I found later entries for Helms Foundation College Basketball Player of the Year that weren't at Sports Reference. Good luck. —Bagumba (talk) 04:24, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I haven't found much on NEA for later years, but did find the 1999 winner. —Bagumba (talk) 10:13, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've added the 1997 and 1998 NEA winners to the page. I'm actually skeptical about that 1999 article without seeing the NEA's DPOY that year too. It's possible they just put in the wrong award name for James, who won other ROYs. Will be able to check a few other possibilities once Internet Archive is back up. —Bagumba (talk) 10:56, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination for deletion of Template:The 70 Greatest Redskins

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Template:The 70 Greatest Redskins has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. Left guide (talk) 03:48, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

International PS notation

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Can you please check out the Saints 2017 Roster and Alex Jenkins Int'l notation. Looks like someone messed it up. Kelliecharging (talk) 20:48, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed, it was formatted improperly. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 21:52, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

NFL Rosters

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What is going on with the NFL rosters?! Kelliecharging (talk) 20:50, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Kelliecharging: Could you be more clear? I have no idea what you're asking and I'd imagine I'm not the only one. Hey man im josh (talk) 22:06, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The 1988 Giants roster had the Defensive linemen listed under the Defensive backs. I looked back on the recent changes and saw that the template had an error. so I fixed it. Kelliecharging (talk) 22:10, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It was simply because the |defensive_back= parameter had an extra s when it shouldn't have. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 00:21, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

NFL Team Template Wiki-Code Formatting

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Charlesaaronthompson has unilaterally made border changes to every NFL template, undid his changes, and then reimplemented them again, all in a matter of a few days (including reverting my reversion of his fist change at {{Green Bay Packers}}. I find this frustrating in and of itself, but am finding their constant need to keep redesigning color schemes even more frustrating. These edits are overkill and purely decorative in nature. Is it too much to ask that moving forward these types of changes get proposed first before implementing them? « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 22:48, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds entirely reasonable to me to discuss changes that affect so many pages. Hey man im josh (talk) 22:50, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Is there a reason why borders for NFL team templates can't be included in the |basestyle=? I put them in because I felt it would improve the appearance of the templates. I only took them out to appease User talk:Gonzo fan2007. I put them back in because it seemed weird to me that the border color for the Baltimore Ravens' primary style (they use  gold  as their tertiary team color) didn't match the border color used and derived from Module:Gridiron color/data. I only want border colors to be used in NFL team templates in order to be WP:CONSISTENT with other sports team templates, such as MLB & NBA team templates. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 22:59, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The NFL team infobox was (recently by me made) consistent with the NFL and NBA player infoboxes but you reverted it and removed the border. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 23:22, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Charlesaaronthompson: This is not a situation where consistent applies, each league is entirely independent of one another with very little crossover except that they're sports. Where do you stop then? Hey man im josh (talk) 23:23, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Hey man im josh: What do you mean when you say "where do you stop then"? All I would like to do is ensure that all the NFL team templates have a border color for the |titlestyle= & the |basestyle=. @Dissident93: Is there a reason why the NFL & NBA player infoboxes need to use the primary team color w/border color for both the header & |basestyle=? Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 23:32, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Charlesaaronthompson: What I mean when I ask where it stops, is why not NHL -> MLS -> all soccer articles -> all sports team articles? I know it seems drastic, but in trying to implement some things I thought were standard amonf sports articles to NHL articles I got bit because there was not consensus for it. Treat each league, or at least each sport, independently.
Personally I'm not a fan of the changes to the borders, but I'm not mad at you for trying them. I'd just like discussions to be had about such widely used colour/template changes. Hey man im josh (talk) 23:38, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There is no objective reason but doing it that way shows the alt style throughout the rest of the infobox and the primary style only in the title header, which seems odd to me. I was trying to get both styles alternating similar to the MLB player infobox in the sandbox (example here) but wasn't able to get the border colors showing (by using rowstyle). ~ Dissident93 (talk) 23:39, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Hey man im josh: Are we not having a discussion about a proposed widely used color/template change? Also, it would stop w/NFL, MLB & NBA team templates. I don't want to change NHL team templates or MLS soccer team templates because that's a lot of work. @Dissident93 Now that you've explained what you were trying to do, it makes sense to me. If no one else is opposed, then we should implement the infobox so that primary style & alt style alternates throughout the infobox. @Hey man im josh @Dissident93 So the question I need to ask is this: what's our WP:CONSENSUS? I vote for using |border=2 in both the primary style & alt style of all 32 NFL team templates. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 23:51, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I can implement the sandbox version if others like it, but ideally the borders should be working. And to stay on track with the original topic, the issue is that borders in a templates body can look messy due to how many sections can exist. I'm sure they can also be made to alternate but I haven't tried to see what it looks like. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 00:00, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Dissident93: Ideally, the cell size should be the same for both the primary style and alt style that use the borders. That's what I would support. Is there a way to use borders in the |basestyle= that doesn't make the template as a whole look messy without compromising the cell sizes? Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 00:15, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have my own opinions on colors, but I also grasp that I don't make those decisions and consensus drives that. Charlesaaronthompson, you have had so many run ins with colors, formatting, etc. that I would hope by now you realize that if you are going to make a major changes to colors across 32 NFL team templates, that you should drop a line here first to get some idea if the WikiProject supports those changes. And second, if you have another run in, don't just revert a revert. Go to the talk page, here or the user page and have a discussion. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 00:45, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Gonzo fan2007: Yes, you're right about all of that. So please, help me establish a WP:CONSENSUS? Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 04:39, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Hey man im josh and Dissident93: What should the WP:CONSENSUS be? |border=2 in the |basestyle= or no? Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 04:39, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A visual comparison would help. I cant tell a border from a basestyle, and I doubt that I am alone. —Bagumba (talk) 05:30, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of NFL players born outside the United States

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Dissident93: I see that you removed the list of active players from the page with the explanation "being WP:BOLD and removing the active player list due to its large and dynamic scope that requires constant maintenance. with the growth of the sport overseas and the IPP, this list will only continue to grow". A few points:

  1. If the page is no longer primarily a list, perhaps List should be removed from the title.
  2. requires constant maintenance: I actually never understood why it just wasn't a cumulative all-time list, instead of only focusing on active players and churning. That would be less maintenance, and we wouldn't lose knowledge or effort. It doesnt't need to be complete from Day 1 (or ever)—just tag it with {{Dynamic list}}
  3. WP:OTHERSTUFF: List of NBA players born outside the United States

—Bagumba (talk) 03:46, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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