Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles/de

Scandinavian name corrections

I've corrected a few of the suggested titles.

- "Die Brüder Löwenherz" is a book by Swedish author Astrid Lindgren. Its English title is "The Brothers Lionheart".

- "Emil in Lönneberga" is another book by Swedish author Astrid Lindgren. Its English title is "Emil's Pranks" or "Emil in the soup terrin". The latter is actually only the title of one of the stories but sometimes used about the entire book. However, this is a collection of a large number of stories about the prankster Emil, so the appropriate title is "Emil's Pranks" (I don't know if the P should be capitalized or not.)

- "Liste der Kommunen auf den Färöer Inseln" is a list of municipalities in the Faroe Islands. Since the corresponding article regarding Denmark is "Municipalities in Denmark", I suggest the title "Municipalities in the Faroe Islands". The administrative system is almost identical, since the Faroe Islands is an autonomous part of the Kingdom of Denmark.

- The "Johannistag" is more problematic, and I don't known an appropriate English name. This is a festive day celebrated in Denmark, Germany, Sweden and other countries around the Baltic. The Danish name is "Sankt Hans" (i.e. Saint John). It is effectively a midsummer festival, but - despite its name - has no religious content at all. In Denmark, it is an evening in which people light a great bonfire topped with a figure of a witch, sing a few traditional songs and drink a beer or two. It has no religious context anymore. An appropriate title would be either "Saint John's Day" or perhaps "Sankt Hans", the title of the festival in both Danish and Swedish. It is very popular amongst Danish children. I believe it is a very minor festival in other countries, but haven't studied the issue. Its relative importance in Denmark is probably because we don't celebrate a separate Midsummer Festival like in Sweden. --Valentinian 21:12, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

Database dump

Every time there's a database dump, we wind up with a bunch of articles that do exist in English Wikipedia, it's just that the German Wikipedia didn't have an interwiki link to the English article. Couldn't a bot check for this sort of thing and add the links to the de: articles before it gets dumped here? --Angr (tɔk) 17:12, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

But how would the bot know if the article existed or not? Even if it did know that there was an existing article, how would it know that it is an appropriate article? What you asking for is fairly similar to an automated removal bot that would remove blue links without checking for content.

On a completely different topic, I'm having trouble telling how many new entries were added with this new dump. Every time I try to compare the Jan 20 version with the Jan 23 16:44 version I get an error after a very long delay. --Reflex Reaction (talk)• 19:18, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

That's because it dumped several hundred articles at once, which is the problem. I think a bot that can tell that de:Tal isn't linked to anything at en: could then go to another language, like fr:Vallée, and see if that's linked to anything at en:. Finding Valley, it could then check whether that is linked to de:Tal. If it is, the bot would then add [[en:Valley]] to de:Tal. --Angr (tɔk) 19:37, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Makes sense to me...but bots are notoriously unintelligent about classfication. You should leave a message with User:Eugene van der Pijll --Reflex Reaction (talk)• 20:22, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

I will not add interwiki links automatically, as there already are several people running interwiki bots, and they are probably doing a better job of it than I could. What I can do is to follow the interwiki links to other languages. For example, to remove de:Tal from this list if fr:Vallée contains a link to en:. Another thing I could do is to search the English wikipedia for an interwiki link to de:Tal.

However, both solutions mean searching more than one database dump. The current list is based on just the German database dump, and is therefore much easier (and quicker) to create.

A note on the added entries: all of the unresolved entries of the last dump are still available at the bottom of the page. There are just 2 of them with 5 interwiki links. The new entries only go down to 5 instead of 4, because there would have been 2032 entries with 4 interwiki links! A difference with the old list is that I have not removed entries which would also be on the French list. There are 432 of those, wich is about half of all entries. Eugene van der Pijll 22:16, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

History of page

For calculation of progress page

• 147 added - June 18, 2005
• 42 remain - Jan 20, 2006
• 956 added - Jan 23, 2006

• 1103 total added
• 832 remain as of Feb 7, 2006.

Feel free to add/edit as needed. --Reflex Reaction (talk)• 20:45, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

780 remain as of Feb 21 --Mmounties 05:22, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

424 remain as of Jun 8 Rigadoun 18:12, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Removing existing articles

I have recently removed some articles that already exist or I've just created. The next time an iw comes around there should also be a complete list of interwikis (I didn't copy all of them). --Tone 15:42, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Removing articles about names

A number of these links are to articles on first names - which English wikipedia does not generally allow. Shouldn't these be removed? Rmhermen 20:46, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

English Wikipedia does allow disambiguation pages on first names, especially if there's some encyclopedic content about the origin and meaning of the name. Angr (talk • contribs) 05:34, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

While we do have disambigs for people known only by one name - the other pages were deleted and people were refered to an appendix of Wiktionary, last time I recall one coming up. Rmhermen 00:53, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Better rationale

Can we see some more coherent rationale for some of these requests? I think someone just sits there trying to make long lists of useless things for others to write about. I removed this one:

• de:Liste der Vizekönige von Peru - ca:Llista de Virreis del Perú - de:Liste der Vizekönige von Peru - es:Virrey del Perú - fr:Liste des vices-rois du Pérou - List of Viceroys of Peru (currently part of Viceroyalty of Peru) - de-en translation

Comment - No need for YADL (yet another dumb list). The Viceroyalty of Peru article already has more information than the German original --JanesDaddy 12:42, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, the rationale is just that these articles appear in several wikipedias, but not English; they were not chosen by somebody by hand. Sometimes excessively frivolous or inappropriate articles are removed from the list. In this case, I disagree with removing this item, because while Viceroyalty of Peru has more information than the German list, the corresponding German article de:Vizekönigreich Peru is far more comprehensive than our viceroyalty article, and if we were to add to that, it would make sense to split off the list. As it is, our viceroyalty article is relatively weak. Rigadoun (talk) 16:25, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for that input, Rigadoun . Upon reading de:Vizekönigreich Peru (which the original request didn't explicitly mention, BTW), my impression was that it was poorly sourced and probably copied from some kind of book. Sure enough, at the bottom of the article it says (loosely translated) that the text is largely based on de:MeyersKonversations-Lexikon, a 19th century public-domain encyclopedia.

So here is my suggestion. Since I already made my feelings about lists clear (above), lets scrap the idea of creating a List of Viceroys of Peru article, and instead improve the Viceroyalty of Peru article, using proper sources where available. In my opinion we shouldn't simply be seeking to translate the German article, which is far too large for such a niche subject.

I have to admit that I have no real expertise or interest in the subject, but would be prepared to devote some time to it if we can collaborate. What do you think? --JanesDaddy 17:59, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Sorry I haven't answered this yet. You're right, the German article isn't that great either, since most of it is about the Inca conquest and the war of independence, both of which are adequately covered at Spanish conquest of the Inca Empire and South American Wars of Independence, where they belong (there are problems with both pages, but that's not relevant here). There is also History of Peru#Viceroyalty of Peru, which may have some relevant info. The Spanish page, es:Virreinato del Perú seems to be the best; they have split off this list of viceroys and an article on the history (which needs a lot of work). It is also not well-referenced, though. I disagree that this article should be small and that it's a niche subject; this was the govenment of half a continent for 300 years. Compare it to the level of detail in New Spain (the other half of the colonial government). (Incidentally, it does have a List of Viceroys of New Spain, I think with reason.) This subject seems to me to deserve similar treatment. I think it's just a victim of systemic bias.

Anyway, I do think someone should improve the article, but perhaps we should discuss this at Wikipedia:WikiProject Peru or some such place. I'd be surprised if there wasn't somebody who was knowledgeable about such things who could write a good article. I would hope that would get done and eventually this list would be needed. There is also a comment at Talk:Viceroyalty of Peru in agreement with me -- perhaps the person who left that could help with expanding the article. I suppose we could take the list off this missing articles list in the meantime, since it hardly needs translation, but I usually favor leaving such things on until the issues are resolved. Rigadoun (talk) 20:39, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

redoing this list

Perhaps its time. its two years now. DGG (talk) 16:09, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Agree, who do we speak to to update this list?Calaka (talk) 02:29, 20 June 2009 (UTC)