Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles/List of notable songs

Though I have tried my best to cleanup this list before publishing it, I am aware that there remains some errors and I hope that I don't discourage any work for my lack of cleaning. The source of most of the difficulty was the Billboard list, which was not from Billboard but compiled second hand from Billboard sources. Nonetheless, I think the value of the list outweighs the hopefully occasional problems that some may run in to. In particular, some entries have the label name (Epic, Columbia etc) in parenthesis after the song title. Other entries may not have the correct title for the release so double check with the artist for the correct name. There are also several hundred duplicate articles due to naming convention differences. I cleaned up the last 4,000 (L-Z) before giving it up the community. With any luck, these won't be problematic and I have created a list that points a direction for article creation. --Reflex Reaction (talk)• 14:16, 19 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Baby It's You

I fixed seperate links for three different songs titled "Baby It's You" by adding the artist in parenthesis. See the disambiguation page: Baby It's You. The first one listed was recorded by the Shirelles, the Beatles, and the Carpenters. I titled the first one "Baby It's You (Shirelles)" since I know they were the first of the three, and to the best of my knowledge the first to record it. Since this isn't a project I don't belong to and only occasionally contribute to, I thought I would bring it up and leave it to the notable song group to change if they so desire. I may go ahead and write an article for this particular song, please move the article and fix links as necessary.Rt66lt 01:26, 10 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Some smaller lists

This project page says that "some smaller lists" were used to build this list. What are those smaller lists? If the lists aren't notable enough to be enumerated specifically, how can the songs on the lists possibly be considered notable? Which songs specifically came frmo those smaller lists? -- Mikeblas 14:05, 29 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Can we add songs?

I have noted that many of the songs from In the Court of the Crimson King and Red by King Crimson don't have articles. Well, they're not on these lists, but they certainly are notable (helped define a genre, is a signature song from an artist, in on a very notable album, etc). So, can we add songs that we believe are notable to this list? Imadofus 23:24, 13 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Notable song expansion

Since the creation of the original list, many notable songs have been released. There are also older notable songs that are missing from the current list (like the user above me said). These missing older songs (older = songs made before the creation of the list) will be a lot harder to make a list of since most of the obvious criteria-testing sources (Rolling Stone, Billboard, etc) have already been used. I think these should be dealt with or added to some list as we run into them. For newer songs, I assume we can generate a new list in a similar method as the first one. I don't want to add these to the current list for the sake of tracking our progress.

Anyone have any suggestions?? -Rocket000 23:00, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, new additions should go in a new list (or lists), not the current one. I could be wrong, but I think the current list takes in songs through 2005 or 2006. Presumably most of these most recent ones are songs that were #1 chart hits or ranked high in end-of-year sales figures, rather than coming from Rolling Stone's 500 Greatest Songs or similar, long-term lists. Bearing that in mind, what if further additions of the list were grouped in annual supplements of songs released in 2006, 2007, etc.? And if there are older songs that need to be added (it would be good to be clear on the sources of these), they could go in a single "older songs" supplement.

Those are my first thoughts. InnocuousPseudonym 04:03, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rocket000 thanks for the note. For the new notable songs I would highly recommend scouring end of year list for 2005 on. One source that I used to generate this list was acclaimedmusic, has a listing of songs that were produced in 2006 that made it on their top 3000 songs: http://www.acclaimedmusic.net/Current/2006s.htm Though I've found that new stuff gets the best coverage and you have to really look to find what was important/good in previous eras, at least on the internet.

If you are looking for "older" notable songs you may want to check other compiled lists that are era or genre specific. Be careful to pick notable lists, you don't necessarily want a red link for some guy's favorite song to be spread all over the list. Another source for strictly older music (pre 1950s) might be to look up best-selling sheet music. Tin Pan Alley produced some very notable songs that millions of people bought to play on their home piano before recordings of music became more popular. Another thought may be to look at frequently performed or recorded classical pieces. Hope this helps! --Reflex Reaction (talk)• 19:50, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think we should start with a new list that includes three (for now) new pages or sub-lists.

Using InnocuousPseudonym's idea, those three pages would be:

2006
2007
Older songs

On the front page of this project, there can be a note letting users know where they can add songs, and not to put them in original list.

If users want to submit a song or songs they should include a source to verify the song's notability. In a general format: [[<song>]] - [[<artist>]] (year) - <source>.

For example: I Can't Be Satisfied - Muddy Waters (1948) - http://www.acclaimedmusic.net/061024/S3941.htm

One more thought - the current list was submitted on Dec. 15, 2005. So, taking Reflex Reaction's advice and starting with end of the year lists for 2005, we could either have another sub-list named 2005, or just include that in the "Older songs" group. Probably the latter, since it's not all of 2005. The sub-lists, 2006 and 2007, may also be combined on to one page if there are not that many notable songs missing an article/infobox. - Rocket000 00:49, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]