Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Lacrosse/Archive1

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Box lacrosse versus Indoor lacrosse

My personal belief after 11 years of playing the sport is that there is no difference... just another name for it... just like Boxla... I'd like to see the two articles merged under Box Lacrosse and then have a little write up about the different names.. also, the article is in desperate need of being expanded... as an example we might want to look at: American football. DMighton 10:16, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

I agree. I didn't even know there as a difference... atleast around these parts, the terms are used interchangibly. Vote to merge Stoneice02 20:05, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Well... the argument from an old discussion was that Indoor is different because 3 years ago they switch back to the old 4 quarter rule over 3 periods... and that they use turf. These rule changes are basically only for the top tier of the sport... the NLL... and mostly for aesthetics... green turf looks less ghetto than a cement floor... and four quarters allows for a halftime. DMighton 20:43, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

I think the basic question here is: Are box and indoor lacrosse different sports? Field and box lacrosse are fundamentally the same, but there are lots of differences, and the differences are big enough that they are considered two different (though related) sports, and thus require different pages to describe them. The differences between box and indoor lacrosse are relatively minor — the differences mentioned above aren't differences between sports, they're differences between leagues. The AL and NL use different rules (the designated hitter is one, but there are others), but nobody would say that they play two different sports. I don't think the differences in playing surfaces is relevant enough — some baseball teams play on grass and others on artificial turf in the same league. I vote to merge as well. --MrBoo (talk, contribs) 22:43, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

I kind of like having them seperate but I'm going to vote to merge. --Yarnalgo 23:28, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

I agree, Merge. DMighton 23:33, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Done. I moved the picture and other relevant information from the indoor lacrosse page over to the box lacrosse page. I will change the indoor page to redirect to the box page. Please let me know what you think. --MrBoo (talk, contribs) 23:17, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

New Page?

I just finished added infomation on the National Lacrosse HOF (see Lacrosse Museum and National Hall of Fame). There are currently 323 inductees into the HOF. Do we want to create a page tha lists them all? Stoneice02 04:42, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Hmmmm....my first thought is no - what we can do is add a category called National Lacrosse Hall Of Fame Inductees, and then go through each person inducted and add them to the category. The only drawback to that is that if pages don't exist for each person in the HOF, we'd have an incomplete list until we can add pages for each one.

I just looked at how the Hockey Hall of Fame did it - they have one page on the hall, another page for inductees sorted alphabetically, and yet another page for inductees sorted chronologically. So it looks like that's probably the way to go. MrBoo (talk, contribs) 10:19, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

I like that idea. I will start working on that this weekend Stoneice02 18:41, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Images

There are very few images on any of the lacrosse pages. Most NLL/MLL team pages have a logo, and there are a few other pictures on some of the team pages, but there are very few pictures on the player pages. I know very little about what images we are and are not allowed to upload. For example, can we upload pictures from the NLL web site, or individual team sites (eg. www.torontorock.com)? --MrBoo (talk, contribs) 17:22, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Unfortunatly, it isn't so simple. Most pictures you find on web sites are copyrighted (i.e. someone owns the rights to use it.) For further information on this, see the image use policy. The best way to add pictures, is often to take them yourself. Sometimes you can find pictures online that have been release with a license compatible with Wikipedia. These are usually from other amateur photographers. For example, you may be able to find some on Flickr (e.g. search within http://www.flickr.com/creativecommons/by-2.0/). I see that this one is compatible. But be careful, not all pictures on Flickr are free. -- JamesTeterenko 19:53, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

(You can also search within http://www.flickr.com/creativecommons/by-sa-2.0/) Both [1] and [2] are sets with a lot of good action shots. --Yarnalgo 03:41, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Lacrosse player categories

There are categories for Category:Lacrosse players as well as ones for Canadians, Americans, and Australians. Should there be one for players of native heritage? If so, what should it be called?

I created Category:National Lacrosse Hall of Fame inductees and added it to all the players currently linked on the list of inductees. Stoneice02 02:04, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Positions of players

Talk:Lacrosse#Position (team sports) may be provocative for your project. Anyway, Position (team sports) should at least list lacrosse (genus). --P64 02:06, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Questions

I'm moving some stuff from the main project page here, since they are up for discussion. Please place any comments you have or changes you make under the appropriate entry: --MrBoo (talk, contribs) 19:43, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

~~Merge the box lacrosse and indoor lacrosse pages. There are discussions at both talk pages (indoor here and box here), but so far, nobody seems to be against this idea.~~ Done.

There are pages for the NLL and MLL as well as the Australian Lacrosse League. There are pages for both the WLA and OLA, but they need expanding. Are there any other lacrosse leagues?

Check out Category:Lacrosse leagues. So the answer is yes, there are other lacrosse league, but you mentioned all the pro ones (except A. WLA/MSL technically aren't pro, but they are the highest level of box, and B. the OLA is the governing body; their Senior A/"pro" (league that competes with WLA for Mann Cup) is Major Series Lacrosse)

There is no page specifically for the MILL - that page redirects to the NLL page. As long as some history of the NLL including the MILL remains on that page, that's probably fine.

There are very few pictures on lacrosse pages - we need more, particularly pictures of players! Can someone knowledgeable about copyright issues (i.e. not me) contact the leagues and/or teams to see if we can get images (that we are allowed to use) from them?

See #Images —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Yarnalgo (talk • contribs) 03:24, 11 January 2007 (UTC).

I added a couple questions on the Women's Lacrosse talk page that I'd like some feedback on. Stoneice02 06:58, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

NLL teams that moved

Right now, Pittsburgh CrosseFire, Baltimore Thunder and Washington Power all redirect to Colorado Mammoth, the current name of that franchise. I think we should have different pages for each team. They'll obviously mention the history of the team and where it is now and such, but I would like to remove the automatic redirect. This goes for other teams that moved as well: Columbus, Syracuse, New Jersey (twice), etc. Note that Albany (now San Jose) and Montreal (now Minnesota) already have their own pages.

Any objections? --MrBoo (talk, contribs) 16:40, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

I tend to be of the opinion that if a team relocates to a new city it should be put on the same article. I know the NHL pages is different. I believe the NLL treats MN and Montreal as different franchise. I know at one point Albny redirect to SJ, but some Albany fan but not SJ fan did a lot of work on the Attack as a seperate page.

For the MLL as of now only the Barrage have relocated so that is not much of issue. Smith03 23:23, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Note: Actually the Bayhawks moved to DC (Washington Bayhawks) --Yarnalgo 01:08, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Personally, I believe that the old team has its own identity and deserves its own page, whether it lasted one year or five. Forcing the Washington Power into the Colorado Mammoth article restricts the ability to focus on Washington itself - where they played, how they did, what the fans were like, etc. Wikipedia is not paper. There is no reason why such restrictions should exist. Resolute 06:29, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Personally, I think the current team page should reflect the entire history of the franchise (Colorado Mammoth pages should show them being formed in 1986 and having 2 titles. However, I agree that the prior incarnations should have their own page, with the facts just from the team's time in that city. Mountainhawk 01:00, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Logos in team section of NLL

See Talk:National Lacrosse League#Logos in team section

OLA

Hey guys... I just got the stats for the OLA Junior B Lacrosse League from 1985 on... I will be adding them progressively and adding histories later. DMighton 04:26, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Stats for the Eastern Conference are posted and base pages created. DMighton 17:03, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Red Links in Members of the National Lacrosse Hall of Fame (alphabetical)

Some of the schools and affiliations in this article are red links. Please feel free to write articles or stubs!!!! Stoneice02 04:05, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

removed names that had articles but misnamed or in need of a redirct Smith03 01:17, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Baltimore Bayhawks

are they relocating to DC? Smith03

Yes, it has already been announced (see Washington Bayhawks) but the move section needs a little work. --Yarnalgo 01:08, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia Day Awards

Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 19:04, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

NLL Weekly Awards

I wanted to create a page listing all of the weekly award winners in the NLL, but that's 12-16 winners per season, times 22 seasons, and in the last four seasons, there have been FOUR winners per week. This would be a rather huge table of players. Does anyone have any ideas on how to condense it a little, eg. maybe break it up into sub pages (i.e. Weekly Winners of the 1990's / 2000's)?

Thanks for any input. --MrBoo (talk, contribs) 19:10, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

The decades sounds good, however that is still, as you said, 12-16 winners per season for 10 seasons. You could also break it up between Eagle Pro, MILL, and NLL, only the problem is that the NLL would keep growing and it is already at 10 seasons. One last idea is to do Eagle Pro, MILL, NLL (90's), and NLL (00's). What do you think? --Yarnalgo 07:16, 17 February 2007 (UTC)