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Mosque names in templates

All proper names should be used unedited, at least when used alone, in the titles, or introduced into an article. If there are multiple versions of the name, then there are two ways to go about it - (1) use the name in common coinage; (2) use the official name (which may often be unknown outside the official circles). I see absolutely no reason to shorten a proper name unless the short version is already commonly used, and that applies to mosques as well. We don't really end up referring to the Buckingham Palace as the Buckingham. Right? Aditya^{(talk • contribs)} 15:57, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I'm convinced now. :) MP ^{(talk•contribs)} 14:04, 8 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Glad to be of help. Aditya^{(talk • contribs)} 03:50, 9 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Mosque by country categories

Presently, 48 out of the 67 (66? - Cyprus ambiguity) mosque by country categories to make sure that they have a WPISLAM tag on the talk pages. If anyone else wants to help out in checking the remaining cats., please do so. Just remember to update the A + Q section (including the table) accordingly. Thanks. MP ^{(talk•contribs)} 17:35, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks to User:Ahmadi2, we are now up to 49 categories checked! The Q and A table still needs to be updated for the USA Mosques. MP ^{(talk•contribs)} 17:44, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Q and A table for the USA Mosques done! --Ahmadi2 (talk) 21:04, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Now all of the categories in that mosque by country category has the WPISLAM tag already. Chongkian (talk) 01:52, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Half of all articles assessed

If the figures are correct, exactly half of all mosque articles (known to the project) have now been assessed. Still a lot of assessing to be done!. MP ^{(talk•contribs)} 11:27, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Now all of the mosques articles (those tagged with the mosque task force) have all been assessed :) Chongkian (talk) 00:59, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mosques infobox

Currently, most mosque articles use the Religious building infobox. I propose (and have created) a seperate mosque infobox, much like the already present church infobox. It is currently in a preliminary state and I'd like to open it up to criticism and further development.

Toushiro pointed out that the new infobox does not significantly differ from the old one (Template:Infobox religious building), the only noticeable change being the "leadership" field which will most likely not even be present in most cases. However, I still maintain that a seperate infobox is a good idea (if only for the sake of cleaning up, re-evaluating, and bettter presenting some of the info already in mosque infoboxes), and perhaps with some alterations.

For some examples of the new infobox in use see: Masjid al-Haram, Al-Masjid al-Nabawi, Faisal Mosque, Berlin Mosque. And, to compare, some mosque pages using the old infobox: Umayyad Mosque, Paris Mosque, Al-Aqsa Mosque.

So, in short, is it needed? If so, any suggestions for imporovement? Thanks. --Yenemus (talk) 09:36, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mosque template/infobox

I think it's about time to sort out this issue. Should there be a separate template/infobox for mosques ? Templates/infoboxes (I am aware of) that currently exist are:

My personal view is that there are sufficiently many mosque articles that a separate infobox is justified. The other reason that there should be a mosque infobox is that the Template:Infobox religious building is bound to get even bigger and unwieldy (it doesn't include synagogues, for example). I think we should first agree on exactly what the template should and should not have. I will list here some aspects (add more if you think of anything else!); please indicate whether you think they should or should not be included in the infobox:

Name of mosque — this is clearly compulsory

Picture of mosque (if possible)
- Include. MP ^{(talk•contribs)} 09:56, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Include. --Yenemus (talk) 10:45, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Location
- Include (in the following format: village/town/city etc. , country). MP ^{(talk•contribs)} 09:56, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Include, obviously. Also, a geographical coordinates field is a good idea. --Yenemus (talk) 10:45, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes, the geographic coordinates should be there too. MP ^{(talk•contribs)} 11:04, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Year established
- Include. MP ^{(talk•contribs)} 09:59, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Include, but unsure of name. I was very hesitant about the name when I created this field. What does "establishment" entail? The religious building infobox uses year of completion, which is equally problematic, because one mosque may have been reconstructed several times. --Yenemus (talk) 10:45, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes, I thought about the name, and possibly including reconstruction date(s) as a separate field. Alternatives are Initial establishment (yuck!), First established (equally yuck!) and a few other ridiculous terms which I'm reluctant to mention in order to avoid embarassing myself :) Perhaps we should keep Year established, but include any reconstruction date(s) in brackets or something. MP ^{(talk•contribs)} 11:04, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Branch/tradition
- Include (unfortunately, many mosques nowadays have a particular tradition or branch, and this should be included as it's relevant information). MP ^{(talk•contribs)} 09:56, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Include. But only in cases where it is specifically relevant, e.g. Shia shrines; mosques of the Ahmadiyya, Muslim Brotherhood, Druze (etc.) communities --Yenemus (talk) 10:45, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Agreed. MP ^{(talk•contribs)} 11:05, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Administration
- Include . MP ^{(talk•contribs)} 10:04, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Include, where information is available. --Yenemus (talk) 10:45, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ownership
- Include . MP ^{(talk•contribs)} 10:04, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Unsure. I can't think of any cases where this would be particularly relevant, and different from "administration". Don't governing bodies of mosques usually both own and administrate them? --Yenemus (talk) 10:45, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't know if they do or don't. Probably. In which case, this is a redundant field. MP ^{(talk•contribs)} 11:04, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Leadership
- ~~Do not include~~ ~~(for the reasons given by ~ Toushiro 「話」 on~~ Wikipedia:WikiProject Islam/Mosques task force#Standards) - I wasn't against the addition of this, as Yenemus mentioned below - I only thought that there wasn't really a need to make the new infobox. ~ Toushiro 「話」 22:45, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Include, where information is available. Toushiro did not give any reason to not include this in a seperate mosque infobox, s/he was arguing against the very creation of a mosque infobox. Also, the fact that this field will not always be utilized doesn't justify it's removal (e.g., for how many mosques are we going to include the inner diameter of the dome?). However, I was considering splitting this field up into imam, chairman, and spokesperson more directly than is done currently. Of course, where information is scarce, these fields will simpy be left out. --Yenemus (talk) 10:45, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Ok, I fell into the trap you mentioned about not always having this information. The splitting up is also a good idea. Include. MP ^{(talk•contribs)} 11:04, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Architect(s)
- Include. MP ^{(talk•contribs)} 10:01, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Include. --Yenemus (talk) 10:45, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Architectural style
- Include. MP ^{(talk•contribs)} 10:01, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Include. --Yenemus (talk) 10:45, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Capacity
- Include. MP ^{(talk•contribs)} 10:01, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Include, though I know this one will always be a matter of contention and cause edit wars. Perhaps have a rule that capacity should only be included here if it is mentioned and properly backed up in the body of the article? --Yenemus (talk) 10:45, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- That seems like a good idea. MP ^{(talk•contribs)} 11:04, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length
- Do not include (the area takes care of this). MP ^{(talk•contribs)} 10:01, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Do not include, I agree this seems a bit pointless. --Yenemus (talk) 10:45, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Width
- Do not include (the area takes care of this). MP ^{(talk•contribs)} 10:01, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Do not include, see above. --Yenemus (talk) 10:45, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Covered area
- Include. MP ^{(talk•contribs)} 10:01, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Include, though again this field will be heavily controversial in most cases (I've always wondered, why are people so passionate about the size of their mosques, and never about, say, the weekly Jumu'a attendance?) --Yenemus (talk) 10:45, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes, lol, one of the reasons for the decline of the Ummah. MP ^{(talk•contribs)} 11:04, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Height (max)
- Include. MP ^{(talk•contribs)} 09:59, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Include. Will this figure include minarets? --Yenemus (talk) 10:45, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dome(s)
- Include. MP ^{(talk•contribs)} 09:59, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Include, perhaps change name to number of domes as per Template:Infobox church? --Yenemus (talk) 10:45, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Agreed on the name change. MP ^{(talk•contribs)} 11:04, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dome height (outer)
- Include. MP ^{(talk•contribs)} 10:04, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Include. --Yenemus (talk) 10:45, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dome height (inner)
- Include . MP ^{(talk•contribs)} 10:04, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Include. --Yenemus (talk) 10:45, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dome dia. (outer)
- Include . MP ^{(talk•contribs)} 10:04, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Include. --Yenemus (talk) 10:45, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dome dia. (inner)
- Include . MP ^{(talk•contribs)} 10:04, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Include. --Yenemus (talk) 10:45, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Minaret(s)
- Include. MP ^{(talk•contribs)} 09:56, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Include, perhaps change name to number of minarets as per Template:Infobox church? --Yenemus (talk) 10:45, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Agreed on the name change. MP ^{(talk•contribs)} 11:04, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Minaret height(s)
- Include. MP ^{(talk•contribs)} 09:56, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Include. --Yenemus (talk) 10:45, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Materials
- Include. MP ^{(talk•contribs)} 09:56, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Include. --Yenemus (talk) 10:45, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

General contractor
- Unsure (is this relevant ? ). MP ^{(talk•contribs)} 10:06, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Include. In some cases this is quite relevant, e.g. Faisal Mosque. --Yenemus (talk) 10:45, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Ok, for those cases where it's relevant, include. MP ^{(talk•contribs)} 11:04, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Construction cost
- Include. MP ^{(talk•contribs)} 09:56, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Include. --Yenemus (talk) 10:45, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Website
- Include (useful to have a link). MP ^{(talk•contribs)} 09:56, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Include. --Yenemus (talk) 10:45, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Registered charity No.
- Include. Mosques in the UK, at least, have a registered charity no. Perhaps there is something equivalent in other countries. But at least for UK mosques, this is useful reference information. MP ^{(talk•contribs)} 11:10, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Template:Asian mosques and Template:Chinese mosques do not exist (or perhaps no longer exist as of now). Chongkian (talk) 01:34, 1 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination of Al-Fadael Mosque for deletion

A discussion has begun about whether the article Al-Fadael Mosque should be deleted. An article may be deleted if it is inconsistent with Wikipedia policies and guidelines for inclusion, explained in the deletion policy. The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Al-Fadael Mosque until a consensus is reached. The problem is a complete lack of citation, but especially lack of citation to reliable secondary sources. --Bejnar (talk) 04:00, 18 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Mosques in Palestine

I wanted to add Bilal ibn Rabah Mosque, also known as Rachel's Tomb to a list, but can't find a list for Palestine. Where should it go, or should Mosques in Palestine be created?93.96.148.42 (talk) 07:05, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You can find it either at List of mosques in the State of Palestine or Category:Mosques in the State of Palestine. Chongkian (talk) 01:46, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination of Peer Fani Masjid, Bidar (a mosque) for deletion

A discussion has begun about whether the article Peer Fani Masjid, Bidar should be deleted. An article may be deleted if it is inconsistent with Wikipedia policies and guidelines for inclusion, explained in the deletion policy. The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Peer Fani Masjid, Bidar until a consensus is reached. The problem is lack of citation to reliable secondary sources. The article also lacks an assertion of notability. --Bejnar (talk) 22:28, 10 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The article has been deleted already, based on the consensus result. Chongkian (talk) 01:53, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Grand mosques

Hello! I recently created Category:Grand mosques, I need help in adding more mosques to it. I added as much as I could find. Just a reminder: Grand mosques are the main mosques of cities, architecturally they are usually the most elaborate mosque in a city, these mosques were mostly used for Friday prayers. In Eastern parts of Islamic world (Iran, central Asia, Southern Asia) they are usually called Jameh mosque (مسجد جامع) or other similar wordings. In Western Islamic lands, mosques in general are called Jami (or Cami in Turkey) but in order to distinguish them, words Grand or Great (in Arabic Kabir کبیر and in Turkish Ulu) is added. Also would it be better to categorize the grand mosques by country too? Khenamothara (talk) 15:59, 20 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

So far the total article in that grand mosques category (as of today) is still less than 200. So I don't think so we need to further divide them into country-based categories. What we need to pay attention here is the name sorting when trying to include those mosque name inside the grand mosques category, make sure we dont include the great/grand/jameh/jami/jamek/cami etc name into the sorting, even the al/an which proceed the mosque name should not be included in the sorting as well. Chongkian (talk) 02:41, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]