Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Hawaii/Archive 4

This is an archive of past discussions about Wikipedia:WikiProject Hawaii. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page.

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Archive 2

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Archive 4

Missing Hawaii Supreme Court Justices

Drafts have been created for dozens of missing Hawaii Supreme Court Justices at Wikipedia:WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles/United States judges and justices#Hawaii. Please feel free to complete these drafts and move them to mainspace. Please do not hesitate to contact me if you have any questions. Cheers! bd2412 T 16:57, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

Okina redirects

I've asked for okina-version redirects, and they've been rejected at WP:AFC/R. Do you think that Fia Tootoo needs additional information to support okinas? The rejection of the okina-form redirects would seem to indicate that okinas should be removed. (I'm asking here since WPHAWAII is Polynesian and active, while WPSAMOA is dead) -- 70.51.44.60 (talk) 09:22, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

I am not surprised at such a reaction at WP:AFC/R. There are two ways to approach this.

Find an appropriate WikiProject talk page (like here) & ask there. Eventually someone may come along & fulfill the reqest.
Register yourself as a user, then create the redirect yourself. (See WP:Just do it.)

Two notes

#REDIRECT [[Fia Tootoo]] is what you use to redirect to the Fia Tootoo article.
{{Okina}} is the template that you can use to produce the ʻokina character if you cannot copy & paste it.

Peaceray (talk) 03:39, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

List of counties in Hawaii

Why have a featured list with just 5 entries? --Skr15081997 (talk) 11:15, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

Hawaiian speakers: Article requests in Hawaiian

Does anyone know some Hawaiian speakers on here? I am looking for someone to start Hawaiian Airlines on the Hawaiian Wikipedia

Thanks, WhisperToMe (talk) 03:22, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

@WhisperToMe: can you link the Hawaiian Wikipedia? I wasn't aware we had separate wiki sites for individual U. S. states. — Maile (talk) 14:27, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

User:Maile66, It's right here haw:Ka_papa_kinohi :) - The Wiki sites are for each language. So English, Hawaiian, Japanese, Korean, etc. have separate Wikipedias. WhisperToMe (talk) 18:39, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

@WhisperToMe: Of course. I was aware of all the other language sites. It just never occurred to me there might be one for Hawaiian. Thanks for the link. — Maile (talk) 19:16, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

@Maile66: You're welcome :) - If you know Hawaiian speakers please let them know about this! WhisperToMe (talk) 19:17, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

Malia O Ka Malu

See Talk:Malia O Ka Malu § Translations needed for proper description.

Malia O Ka Malu is clearly "Maria [something]", not literally "Our Lady of Peace"— maybe "Maria the Peacemaker"?; I don't know. Malia o ka Malu Hale Pule Nu is "Maria [something longer]". Can a Hawaiian-speaker please provide accurate translations for these names? Please {{Ping}} me to discuss. --Thnidu (talk) 01:17, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

Please See - Submissions

https://wikiconference.org/wiki/Submissions
--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 00:47, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

US 50,000 Challenge invite

Hi. The Wikipedia:WikiProject United States/The 50,000 Challenge has recently started, based on the UK/Ireland Wikipedia:The 10,000 Challenge. The idea is not to record every minor edit, but to create a momentum to motivate editors to produce good content improvements and creations and inspire people to work on more states than they might otherwise work on. If there's the interest I will start 1000 State Challenges like Wikipedia:The 1000 Challenge (Nordic). For this to really work we need diversity and exciting content and editors from a broad range of states regularly contributing. If you would like to see masses of articles being improved for the US and your specialist/home state like Wikipedia:WikiProject Africa/The Africa Destubathon, sign up today and once the challenge starts a contest can be organized. This is a way we can target every state, and steadily vastly improve the encyclopedia. We need numbers to make this work so consider signing up as a participant and also sign under any state sub challenge on the page that you might contribute to! Thankyou.♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:13, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

New article Cannabis in Hawaii

I just started Cannabis in Hawaii as part of my general campaign to have a cannabis article for each state. I've got the main details on the 2010 MMJ program, but I think the article could definitely use some expanding about the uniqueness of Hawaii's cannabis culture, how it got there, its financial and social impact, etc. Just listing here since someone might find it an interesting challenge. Goonsquad LCpl Mulvaney (talk) 00:38, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Haole

Could someone take a look at Talk:Haole please. I made a comment on the page, then noticed that an anonymous editor had used a cite book template, causing a reference to appear at the bottom of the page, which I think tends to discourage any further comments. I don't want to edit someone else's post so maybe an admin could take a look at it. Piwaiwaka (talk) 22:52, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

Done easy fix! — Maile (talk) 23:08, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks !!! Piwaiwaka (talk) 23:56, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

@KAVEBEAR: @Maile66: @Piwaiwaka: There is actually a way to have the reference appear within the section, so I converted it to that. The way to do this is to use the |group= parameter in both the <ref> tag & {{reflist}} template., such as:

<ref group="Remove unsourced section">
{{Reflist|group="Remove unsourced section"}}

I took the liberty of putting this construct into the Talk:Haole#Remove unsourced section discussion.

Peaceray (talk) 16:36, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

2016 Community Wishlist Survey Proposal to Revive Popular Pages

Greetings WikiProject Hawaii/Archive 4 Members!

This is a one-time-only message to inform you about a technical proposal to revive your Popular Pages list in the 2016 Community Wishlist Survey that I think you may be interested in reviewing and perhaps even voting for:

Fix and improve Mr.Z-bot's popular pages report

If the above proposal gets in the Top 10 based on the votes, there is a high likelihood of this bot being restored so your project will again see monthly updates of popular pages.

Further, there are over 260 proposals in all to review and vote for, across many aspects of wikis.

Thank you for your consideration. Please note that voting for proposals continues through December 12, 2016.

Best regards, Stevietheman — Delivered: 18:01, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Peer review/Liliuokalani/archive1

Please help in the improvement of Liliuokalani by commenting Wikipedia:Peer review/Liliuokalani/archive1 for suggested improvements. Thanks.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 19:40, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Kamehameha Schools Song Contest

Could someone from WP:HAWAII take a look at Kamehameha Schools Song Contest? The article was prod deleted back in December 2016, but re-created almost immediately thereafter. The creator Kamehameha Schools Song Contest has been soft-blocked for their username, and most of the content is being added by IPs. Lots of BLP content in the article and almost all of the sources being cited are primary sources to school related webistes. I'm not sure if this contest has received enough WP:SIGCOV to satisfy WP:NEVENT, but perhaps someone from can find better sourcing. Something more than typical run-of-the-mill local media coverage is probably going to be needed if this article is to survive AfD. Thanks in advance. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:51, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

Upcoming "420 collaboration"

You are invited to participate in the upcoming

"420 collaboration",

which is being held from Saturday, April 15 to Sunday, April 30, and especially on April 20, 2017!

The purpose of the collaboration, which is being organized by WikiProject Cannabis, is to create and improve cannabis-related content at Wikipedia and other Wikimedia projects in a variety of fields, including: culture, health, hemp, history, medicine, politics, and religion.

WikiProject Hawaii participants may be particularly interested in the following: Cannabis in Hawaii.

For more information about this campaign, and to learn how you can help improve Wikipedia, please visit the "420 collaboration" page.

---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:55, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

May 2017 on Women in Red

Welcome to Women in Red's
May 2017 worldwide online editathons.
Participation is welcome in any language.

"Organizations"

"Sports"

"Pacific islanders"

(To subscribe: Women in Red/English language list and Women in Red/international list. Unsubscribe: Women in Red/Opt-out list) --Ipigott (talk) 10:44, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Popular pages report

We – Community Tech – are happy to announce that the Popular pages bot is back up-and-running (after a one year hiatus)! You're receiving this message because your WikiProject or task force is signed up to receive the popular pages report. Every month, Community Tech bot will post at Wikipedia:WikiProject Hawaii/Archive 4/Popular pages with a list of the most-viewed pages over the previous month that are within the scope of WikiProject Hawaii.

We've made some enhancements to the original report. Here's what's new:

The pageview data includes both desktop and mobile data.
The report will include a link to the pageviews tool for each article, to dig deeper into any surprises or anomalies.
The report will include the total pageviews for the entire project (including redirects).

We're grateful to Mr.Z-man for his original Mr.Z-bot, and we wish his bot a happy robot retirement. Just as before, we hope the popular pages reports will aid you in understanding the reach of WikiProject Hawaii, and what articles may be deserving of more attention. If you have any questions or concerns please contact us at m:User talk:Community Tech bot.

Warm regards, the Community Tech Team 17:16, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

Drafts for missing Hawaii Supreme Court Justices

Drafts have been initiated for the following missing Hawaii Supreme Court Justices:

Please help get these articles written and moved to mainspace. Cheers! bd2412 T 13:52, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

Is there any interest in adding Hawaii wikiproject talk page template to the template {{WikiProject United States}}? It wouldn't change anything about the project, just the template itself. It seems like a useful template for regional articles that are of interest to many states. I'm working on some botany pages that span multiple states, and I'm hoping to not have to add separate banners for states that aren't in the template. @Kintetsubuffalo: it seems like you might be the only person active in this project based on Wikipedia:WikiProject Directory/Description/WikiProject Hawaii, is that correct? -Furicorn (talk) 08:37, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

'Okina use in Kauai article

I would appreciate some assistance from others in preventing an edit war on the Kauai article. An editor known only as 2602:306:ceab:8320:7c88:ba84:2b8e:c0c9 has removed all use of the 'okina from the article. I don't want to argue with them, so I am asking for assistance. Please help.DaKine (talk) 23:56, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

DaKine the article has been protected for three days. If the issue ever happens again on any article, you may refer to Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Hawaii-related articles instead of arguing - the MOS for Hawaii specifically mentions the 'okina use for Hawaii articles. I would have temporarily blocked the IP, but they seem to be IP hopping. — Maile (talk) 00:19, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

Maile Mahalo Nui.DaKine (talk) 02:38, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on the Talk:Hawaii#Merger proposal

Please discuss the Talk:Hawaii#Merger proposal that proposes merging Hawaiian Islands (created 2002-12-15) into Hawaii. Peaceray (talk) 06:48, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

New Hawaiʻi userbox templates

New Hawaiʻi userbox templates are now available at Template:User WP Hawaii and Template:User WP United States. Yours aye, Buaidh talk contribs 22:29, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

2018 lower Puna eruption suggested to merge with 2018 Hawaii earthquake

There's an ongoing discussion about Merge from earthquake. According to WP:PM I'd like to notify this Wikiproject to get a wider range of opinions. --ThT (talk) 09:40, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for letting us know! I hope someone else from this Wikiproject decides to weigh in on this discussion; I don't think I know enough about geology and volcanoes to offer any suggestions.Mcampany (talk) 21:10, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

La'aloa Bay

Please comment at Talk:La'aloa Bay about the spelling of La'aloa Bay re: shouldn't it have an okina? Kendall-K1 (talk) 20:28, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

WikiProject collaboration notice from the Portals WikiProject

The reason I am contacting you is because there are one or more portals that fall under this subject, and the Portals WikiProject is currently undertaking a major drive to automate portals that may affect them.

Portals are being redesigned.

The new design features are being applied to existing portals.

At present, we are gearing up for a maintenance pass of portals in which the introduction section will be upgraded to no longer need a subpage. In place of static copied and pasted excerpts will be self-updating excerpts displayed through selective transclusion, using the template {{Transclude lead excerpt}}.

The discussion about this can be found here.

Maintainers of specific portals are encouraged to sign up as project members here, noting the portals they maintain, so that those portals are skipped by the maintenance pass. Currently, we are interested in upgrading neglected and abandoned portals. There will be opportunity for maintained portals to opt-in later, or the portal maintainers can handle upgrading (the portals they maintain) personally at any time.

Background

On April 8th, 2018, an RfC ("Request for comment") proposal was made to eliminate all portals and the portal namespace. On April 17th, the Portals WikiProject was rebooted to handle the revitalization of the portal system. On May 12th, the RfC was closed with the result to keep portals, by a margin of about 2 to 1 in favor of keeping portals.

There's an article in the current edition of the Signpost interviewing project members about the RfC and the Portals WikiProject.

Since the reboot, the Portals WikiProject has been busy building tools and components to upgrade portals.

So far, 84 editors have joined.

If you would like to keep abreast of what is happening with portals, see the newsletter archive.

If you have any questions about what is happening with portals or the Portals WikiProject, please post them on the WikiProject's talk page.

Thank you. — The Transhumanist 07:40, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

The Hulihee, a style of beard

Please see Talk:Hulihee for a red-hot, fascinating, bizarre, and completely stunning discussion over the notability of this style of beard!!! Okay, that was just advertising. It's just a normal discussion, but please check it out anyhow. Thanks! :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 03:00, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

This article is now at AFD Hulihee. — Maile (talk) 13:07, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

Qualifications for WP Hawaii article

Hi everyone,

I've been chipping away at the assessment and cleanup backlogs, and have a question. The front page says that our focus is on "Hawaiʻi and the Hawaiian Islands, its history and its society, its people and its places, its culture and its spirit." For "its people", are we counting anyone born here as belonging to Wikiproject HI, or just those who have done noteworthy things here?

For example, Chris Barron is part of WP Hawaii because he was born here, but moved away at least by the time he was 8. That is the only Hawaii connection; Hawaii is never mentioned again in his wiki article. There are a lot of biographical articles that are tagged with WP Hawaii that are in this situation, and I'm not sure if they should be removed or not. I'm leaning toward removing them since our focus would then be a little tighter, and we wouldn't get distracted by articles that are only marginally Hawaii-related. I also don't see many other Wikiprojects tagged simply because someone was born there. What do you all think? Mcampany (talk) 02:44, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

I would leave the Hawaii banners on articles where they already exist. Thank you for all your work that you are doing in this regard. Your efforts are admirable. For a comparison, Dwight D. Eisenhower has a Texas project banner because he was born there. But the family moved to Kansas when he was an infant. Eisenhower didn't even know he'd been born in Texas until he ran for political office. Editors have all kinds of reasons for putting a project banner on an article. If there is any connection to Hawaii at all, I'd leave the banner and move on to the next article. The banners don't hurt anything by being on an article. — Maile (talk) 11:34, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

That makes sense. :) I'll do that. Mcampany (talk) 15:32, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

Edit-a-thon of protest in Hawaii

Being held on July 14th 10:00am – 2:00pm. Sponsored by the Kamakakūokalani Center for Hawaiian Studies, Art in Hawaiʻi and CONTACT (an annual juried exhibition of contemporary art). For more info see this off Wikipedia, Eventbrite webpage.--Mark Miller (talk) 07:45, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Cool! I'll be at work on Saturday, but I hope it goes well! Mcampany (talk) 23:51, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

In case inyone in Honolulu is interested it is being held at;

Venue: Hālau o Haumea, Kamakakūokalani Center for Hawaiian Studies

University of Hawaiʻi at Mānoa, 2645 Dole Street, Honolulu, HI 96822

Parking: $6 in KCHS structure, or free on street

Refreshments provided

Enquiries: janecmi@gmail.com, josh@nameahawaii.com, keahiahi@hawaii.edu

The events are free and open to the public with registration.--Mark Miller (talk) 07:25, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Charles Irving Elliott

Would you mind looking over the Charles Irving Elliott article to see if it fits in the WikiProject Hawaii scope? Thank you KlausVonVilver (talk) 05:09, 18 October 2018 (UTC):

KlausVonVilver It certainly fits into WikiProject Hawaii, as well as WikiProject Aviation. I've added both project banners to the talk page. Thank you for contributing this article. — Maile (talk) 11:20, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

RfC on election/referendum naming format

An RfC on moving the year from the end to the start of article titles (e.g. South African general election, 2019 to 2019 South African general election) has been reopened for further comment, including on whether a bot could be used move the articles if it closed in favour of the change: Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (government and legislation)#Proposed change to election/referendum naming format. Cheers, Number 5 7 15:45, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Editathon at the Hawaii Library Association Conference

Aloha everyone! I just wanted to give everyone a head's up that Mkahili (talk · contribs) and I are going to do a short editathon as part of our presentation at the Hawaii Library Association Conference on 11/17. Attendees will be working mostly on library science and Hawaii-related articles, so please don't WP:Bite, and feel free to ping either of us if you notice something amiss that isn't resolved within 15 minutes. Mahalo! Mcampany (talk) 07:22, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

Mcampany While I am not able to join in that edithon ... what a coincidence. At the suggestion of KAVEBEAR, the DYK nom Kalākaua's 1874–75 state visit to the United States is scheduled for it's main page slot on November 17. It's the anniversary of the beginning of the king's trip. I look forward to editors in Hawaii tackling all varieties of topics that day. Thanks to you and Mkahili for making this happen. — Maile (talk) 12:27, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

What a wonderful coincidence! I'll be sure to share that with the other participants. I really appreciate all of the hard work you and KAVEBEAR put into important Hawaiian history articles like Liliʻuokalani. Mcampany (talk) 19:30, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Nomination of Hawaii Tea Party for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Hawaii Tea Party is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hawaii Tea Party until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. --HighFlyingFish (talk) 22:06, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

A link to a DAB page

Kauai links to the DAB page Kamehameha (search for 'disam' in read mode and for '{{d' in edit mode). This was presumably Kamehameha IV or V (1857 or later), but I can't work out which. Can any expert help solve this puzzle? Narky Blert (talk) 10:45, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

Don't know if this helps, but Knudsen served in the legislature 1860, 1862, 1868, 1890. — Maile (talk) 19:51, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

Hawaii. Laws, etc; Lydecker, Robert Colfax (1918). "Roster legislatures of Hawaii, 1841-1918 [electronic resource] : constitutions of monarchy and republic : speeches of sovereigns and president". Honolulu : Hawaiian Gazette Co.

He seems to have served in low-level government appointments, such as tax assessor, under Kam IV.

Chronicling America newspaper search

Artists of Hawai'i Wikipedia edit-a-thon Friday 2/8/2019

Aloha! Please join the Honolulu Museum of Art and UH-West O‘ahu's James & Abigail Campbell Library for a half-day edit-a-thon where we’ll work to increase the visibility of Hawai‘i artists on Wikipedia. It'll be on Friday, February 8, 2019, from 8:30 am to 12:30 pm at UH West O'ahu. Computers, training, reference sources, and light refreshments will be provided.

To join us in person, please RSVP by following the instructions here. You can also participate remotely by signing up at Wikipedia:GLAM/Honolulu Museum of Art. Looking forward to seeing you there :)! AwedOakSun (talk) 00:05, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Alfred-Maurice de Zayas#Alfred de Zayas memorandum regarding the Hawaiian Islands

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Alfred-Maurice de Zayas#Alfred de Zayas memorandum regarding the Hawaiian Islands. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:44, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

1950 constitutional convention delegates

Does anyone know if any of the delegates to the 1950 constitutional convention are still living? I'm guessing no. With the death yesterday of Jack Coghill, I'm trying to determine whether or not we have only one living signer of an original state constitution left in the entire country. I question whether it really matters, as the community buried the last attempt to create an article on this person and has continued to pretend that he is not notable because no article exists, despite the fact that he was a territorial and state legislator in addition (so much for the presumption of automatic notability), but I thought I'd try nonetheless. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 02:00, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

You mean the 1950 Hawaii State Constitutional Convention, right? If so, it doesn't seem like it. I ran all of the names from the booklet published for the convention through Ancestry.com, and most came back with a record from the Social Security Death Index. I searched for the names that didn't return a record on Google, and found obituaries for most of them. The only ones I couldn't find any kind of death record for are Harold S. Roberts, J. Pia Cockett, Ed C. Bryan, and James F. Gilliland, but based on the short biographies in the booklet, I'd guess that they are probably not living anymore either. Cockett was retired at the time of writing, Gilliland had served as a secretary to Jonah Kalanianaole, and the others graduated from high school 1929 and 1937. I'd be really surprised if any were still alive. -Mcampany (talk) 22:29, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

Kaniela Ing

Kaniela Ing needs to be updated to reflect that he is no longer in office. GeekInParadise (talk) 00:14, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

Robert Hoapili Baker

Aloha everyone Seeking some assistance from the Wikiproject Hawaii community. I’ve been working through some disagreements with a fellow Wikipedian about the genealogy of the aforementioned and some of the interesting and widely accepted points about his life but we are unable to settle on wording of the article. Before proceeding to a RFC or 3rd opinion process I thought I’d turn to the community since Hawaiian genealogy and the quality of the sources can be a little technical and might benefit from more local knowledge before proceeding to external mediation. Essentially you’ll see on the talk page that I contend: - RH Baker is the son of Malie Napuupahoehoe of the House of Moana and Ikekelei’aiku (also spelt Ikekeleeiku and Kekeleeiku, as you know the consistency of name spelling conventions in the 19th century) son of Kamakahelei as per multiple sources, some in ‘Olelo Hawaii, and as you can imagine none of them primary sources as he didn’t have a birth certificate - that Baker was an adoptive surname given in honour of his step father Adam C Baker as per the Papakilo article I cite on the talk page. - the aggressor contends that because there is not a primary source then every secondary source needs to be explained which as you see does not lend itself to a readable article. When the majority of sources concur it makes little sense to word it the way he does, or refuse to include that the explanation for the ha’ole surname is adoption - he also refuses to include the widely accepted story that was both interesting and discussed repeatedly in articles and books per my older edits, that RH Baker and JT Baker both posed as models for The Kamehameha statue - he insists on including the line about the genealogy that was published in Na Makaainana and subsequently in Edith McKinzie needing to be “corrected”. Whilst it is true that this is stated in the original article, it does not change the substantive fact that this lineage was published and reprinted in and after the life of RH Baker without contestation, and to add that line unduly creates ambiguity.

If you have the time, please read my edits of a week or two ago and then the talk page and I think you’ll agree the quality has diminished substantially in the intervening time but as I’m at an impasse with the other editor I implore your help. I hope I’ve posted this on the right oage, if you think there’s somewhere more appropriate for this appeal for help let me know. Mahalo

Mrabray (talk) 21:42, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

Article about Mana Up Hawaii women-led business accelerator

Hello dear colleagues! I am new to creating articles from scratch. Although earlier I repeatedly anonymously improved already existing articles. I noticed that there are not many articles about Hawaiian companies and especially Hawaii based business accelerators and so i wrote one. Could you please help me with its' improvement and review?

Sorry if this is not the right place for such requests.

The article is here Draft:Mana_Up Jedi2be (talk) 23:19, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

Jedi2be, are you familiar with List of Hawaii companies? I am former kamaʻāina now living in Seattle & have occasion to edit List of companies based in Seattle, which I think is a good model. Peaceray (talk) 23:57, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

Peaceray I was not familiar with this list, but I know some companies from it Jedi2be (talk) 08:24, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

Request for information on WP1.0 web tool

Hello and greetings from the maintainers of the WP 1.0 Bot! As you may or may not know, we are currently involved in an overhaul of the bot, in order to make it more modern and maintainable. As part of this process, we will be rewriting the web tool that is part of the project. You might have noticed this tool if you click through the links on the project assessment summary tables.

We'd like to collect information on how the current tool is used by....you! How do you yourself and the other maintainers of your project use the web tool? Which of its features do you need? How frequently do you use these features? And what features is the tool missing that would be useful to you? We have collected all of these questions at this Google form where you can leave your response. Walkerma (talk) 04:24, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Thirty Meter Telescope could use more eyes

The lead is disputed, see talk page and edit history. --mfb (talk) 05:18, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Hawaii#Hawaii or Hawai'i?

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Hawaii#Hawaii or Hawai'i?. Peaceray (talk) 16:04, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

[sic] (It should be Hawaiʻi!)

Discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Women in Red#Patsy Mink

You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Women in Red#Patsy Mink. Women in Red is looking for public domain & freely licensed photographs of Patsy Mink. Peaceray (talk) 00:32, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

some historic Hawaii hotels, including Hilo one at AFD

Please consider commenting at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Grand Naniloa Hotel. Also please consider helping develop out coverage about 6 historic Hawaii hotels at National Registry of the Historic Hotels of America#Hawaii. --Doncram (talk) 17:37, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Recent page moves

I came across a user talk page discussion related to quite a number of pages moves (e.g. moving University of Hawaii–West Oahu to University of Hawaiʻi – West Oʻahu, Waikiki to Waikīkī and Ukelele to ʻūkēkē). There seems to have been a bit of previous discussion related to this type of "spelling correction" at Talk:Hawaii#Hawaii or Hawai'i?, but it doesn't seem to have led to a change in Hawaii. Perhaps it might be a good idea if some members from this WikiProject could weigh in and help sort things out, maybe by starting a more general discussion (RFC if needed) to see whether such page moves are justified and how to best implement them if they are. Pinging Explicit and Kwamikagami as a courtesy since they were the two editors involved in the aforementioned user talk page discussion. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:52, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Main thing I was trying to do was correct trivial orthographic errors, like quotation marks or apostrophes in place of the 'okina, or using 'okina but not macrons or vice versa, but while doing that I made some attempt at straightening out inconsistencies among our articles. Often the form used in the article disagreed with the form in the title. In general, it seems that there's a long-term trend toward reflecting Hawaiian orthography, so I erred in that direction, but the names of the state and the islands won't always have the 'okina. State departments don't use it, UH does, it's a matter of how anglicized or hawaiified the names are. For the UH sports teams I don't know, but since only one of them had Hawaiian orthography, I moved it to match the rest.

Personally, I'd like to see the 'okina and macron in the island names, including the articles Kauai, Oahu and Hawaii (island), but generally not for the state when it stands alone. The state is so completely assimilated into English that adding an 'okina to it seems like pronouncing Paris "puh-REE" or correcting Canada to "Kanata", though in some proper nouns that include the name of the state, the 'okina might be appropriate (e.g. UH). Some people even try adding an 'okina to the adj/demonym "Hawaiian", which IMO is ridiculous because that's not Hawaiian word. Personal and other proper names can be tricky, of course, like the asteroid Manoa, which has an IAU-accepted spelling without the macron, or names of laws and bills where they're omitted. Other than that, I think we should try to consistently use both macrons and a proper 'okina. Might not be able to when there are no records as to what they are, of course. — kwami (talk) 09:45, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Re. the main article, I am opposed to moving it. I just checked the USGS website, and their usage seems eminently copyable --

Kīlauea - Hawaiian Volcano Observatory. 
Kīlauea is the youngest and southeastern most volcano on the Island of Hawai‘i.
Geologic map of the southern flank of Mauna Loa Volcano, Island of Hawai‘i, Hawaii.

That is, State of Hawaii but Island of Hawai‘i, as I suggested above. Macrons on features like Kīlauea, that aren't rare in English but where people probably won't know which vowels are long. No 'okina in 'Hawaiian'.

I think we can justify moving all of the island articles, citing the USGS, as well as any Hawaiian monarchs etc that might still not be in Hawaiian orthography. As far as living people with Hawaiian names, it's probably safe to assume in most cases that the giving of a Hawaiian name is an intentional connection to Hawaiian culture and therefore should be given its Hawaiian spelling, even if some of our sources (e.g. the NFL) don't bother to do so. — kwami (talk) 10:10, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

I can understand how the change being made might be appropriate for proper nouns (e.g. geographical names, names of organizations), particularly when the that is how the name is spelled by most reliable sources. I also can see how the use of macrons or okinas—something which might not have been as common in the past—might also be reflecting a change in how the spelling (sorry if that's an inaccurate way to describe things) has evolved and is still involving over the years. I'm sure lots of geographical names where simplied in the past just for the sake of convenience and perhaps to make them seem more appear anglicized. However, I'm not so sure about what appear to be common nouns like ukelele, which are more or less loan words taken from Hawaiian over the years, and which now seem to have become fully adopted into English. In such cases, maybe a brief sentence could be added to the lead which provides the native spelling, but doesn't necessitate that title of the article be changed per MOS:DIACRITICS and WP:UE. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:45, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

There is some guidance on the matter in MOS:HAWAII, which suggests that 1) it is preferred that the correct regional spelling and orthography in articles due to differences in spelling leading to differences in meaning, and 2) that the title and the spelling used in the article should match. Also to be considered is undoing the harm that long-term supression of indigenous cultures has done, both in Hawaii and elsewhere. I opened a new move request on Talk:Kauai, unaware of the one on Hawaii (island). That one has been closed and merge with the new request. Skyerise (talk) 22:18, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Hawaiian vs. American at Willie K

There is a discussion open at Talk:Willie_K about how William Awihilima Kahaiali'i is identified in the first sentence of his article. It currently says "American". Should it say "Hawaiian", or even "Native Hawaiian"? JimKaatFan (talk) 05:17, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Why is this still an issue? Let the man rest in peace! Jamesskull — Preceding undated comment added 09:09, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

Question about the Picture Bride article

Hello! I am wondering why the article on picture brides is only classified as a start class by this WikiProject when it has quite a bit of information in it already and a comparable project like WikiProject Japan / History gave it a B rating. Is the information less relevant to Hawaii than to Japan, for instance? Thank you! Bokchoychoy (talk) 22:08, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Bokchoychoy It's assessed as a start because nobody from this project came by to reassess it. It looks good to me so I've reassessed it as a B, but you can request reassessment for any page by adding the parameter "reassess=yes" to the wikiproject box on the talk page. Thanks! Mcampany (talk) 20:47, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Ka Wai Ola and related sources

I just created Ka Wai Ola after reading the latest issue. It still needs lots of love but I figured it was better to start by adding a little something. I used all the sources I could find. Does anyone have suggestions on other articles or places I might look to find talk about this newspaper and its history? RayScript (talk) 04:17, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

RayScript Thanks for creating that page! I wonder if "Shaping Hawaii: the Role of Newspapers in Hawaii" by Helen Chapin might have anything. It's my go-to for the history of journalism in Hawaii. Mcampany (talk) 20:49, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Mcampany That's a great tip! I checked out the book and it does mention the newspaper once so I went ahead and added a line based on that. RayScript (talk) 22:52, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

NCIS: Hawai'i

Please comment at Talk:NCIS: Hawai'i as to whether the article title should have an apostrophe, an okina, or neither one. GA-RT-22 (talk) 02:36, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Pele Defense Fund

After submitting Draft:Pele_Defense_Fund for review I got the feedback that the sources didn't have significant enough coverage. I think the book cited and TLP article are significant coverage though. Does anyone have suggestions for further sources about the Pele Defense Fund? I've poked around some Hawaii based paper websites but between the bad search and broken links didn't have too much luck. Here is one article directly about the organization but I'm not sure how it could be incorporated.

Would appreciate any help improving the article or finding sources! Mahalo RayScript (talk) 17:24, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

@RayScript: Yes, I agree that the book chapter should be enough. I'll add a couple more sources just in case, then move it to mainspace. Next time someone declines your article, you can always drop them a note on their talk page and explain why you think the article meets WP:GNG. Mcampany (talk) 01:09, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

New redlist: Notable Women of Hawaii

I've put together a list of redlinks at User:Ezlev/Notable Women of Hawaii based on the table of contents of Notable Women of Hawaii ezlev (user/tlk/ctrbs) 03:45, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

@Ezlev: Thanks for putting this list together! I have this book sitting on my shelf, but keep getting distracted by other projects. I can handle Katsu Okumura for you. The library I work at has a couple biographies of her husband, so I'm sure I can find information to supplement what's in "Notable Women of Hawaii". Mcampany (talk) 20:23, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Ayaka Kimura#Requested move 6 August 2021

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Ayaka Kimura#Requested move 6 August 2021 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. — Shibbolethink ^(♔ ^♕) 02:21, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

Io Wahine

Please help with discussion on Io Wahine and Tel lo Ora by joining the discussion at WP:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2021_September_20#Io_Wahine.Coastside (talk) 16:37, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

FAR for USS Missouri

I have nominated USS Missouri (BB-63) for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Hog Farm _Talk 02:12, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

User script to detect unreliable sources

I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to unreliable sources and predatory journals. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the 39th most imported script on Wikipedia. The idea is that it takes something like

John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14. (John Smith "[https://www.deprecated.com/article Article of things]" ''Deprecated.com''. Accessed 2020-02-14.)

and turns it into something like

John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14.

It will work on a variety of links, including those from {{cite web}}, {{cite journal}} and {{doi}}.

The script is mostly based on WP:RSPSOURCES, WP:NPPSG and WP:CITEWATCH and a good dose of common sense. I'm always expanding coverage and tweaking the script's logic, so general feedback and suggestions to expand coverage to other unreliable sources are always welcomed.

Do note that this is not a script to be mindlessly used, and several caveats apply. Details and instructions are available at User:Headbomb/unreliable. Questions, comments and requests can be made at User talk:Headbomb/unreliable.

- Headbomb {t · c · p · b}

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Requested move at Talk:Death and state funeral of Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani#Requested move 25 September 2022

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Death and state funeral of Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani#Requested move 25 September 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. UtherSRG (talk) 10:50, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

That probably was cryptic... why do we care about that? This RM involves about 50 state funeral articles, including at least one that is related to this WP. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:12, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

GAR

Ko Olina Station and Center has been nominated for an individual good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 02:02, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

WikiAPA Edit-a-thon in Hawaii - October 26, 2022

WikiAPA Edit-a-thon: "We Are Here" to Stay

WHEN: Wednesday, October 26, 2022, 11:00 AM – 2:00 PM HST
WHERE: Bishop Museum 1525 Bernice Street Room #: Paki 2 Honolulu, HI

Interested in learning how to edit Wikipedia or improve Asian American and Pacific Islander representation online? Join Smithsonian's Asian Pacific American Center, American Women's History Initiative, and the Bishop Museum at the WikiAPA-edit-a-thon: “We Are Here” to Stay. The event’s work list centers the people from the newly published anthology, We Are Here: 30 Inspiring Asian Americans and Pacific Islanders Who Shaped the United States, which features the stories of Asian American and Pacific Islander women, nonbinary, third gender, and transgender people.

No Wikipedia editing experience is necessary; training will be provided. Please bring a laptop to the edit-a-thon if possible. The session will be led by Kelly Doyle, Smithsonian's Open Knowledge Coordinator for the American Women's History Initiative and Andrew Lih, Smithsonian's Wikimedian-at-Large.

We hope to see some of those active in WikiProject Hawaii there in person!

REGISTER on Eventbrite – Fuzheado | Talk 04:39, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Discussion on disallowing use of the ʻokina in Chinese romanized article titles

There is currently a discussion that may interest you. Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style#Disallowing use of the ʻokina in Chinese romanized article titles proposes that the ʻokina gennerally be prohibited from article titles derived from Chinese whenever it does not adhere to the English Wikipedia policy to use commonly recognizable names. Plese join the discussion. Thank you. Peaceray (talk) 17:12, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Project-independent quality assessments

Quality assessments by Wikipedia editors rate articles in terms of completeness, organization, prose quality, sourcing, etc. Most wikiprojects follow the general guidelines at Wikipedia:Content assessment, but some have specialized assessment guidelines. A recent Village pump proposal was approved and has been implemented to add a |class= parameter to {{WikiProject banner shell}}, which can display a general quality assessment for an article, and to let project banner templates "inherit" this assessment.

No action is required if your wikiproject follows the standard assessment approach. Over time, quality assessments will be migrated up to {{WikiProject banner shell}}, and your project banner will automatically "inherit" any changes to the general assessments for the purpose of assigning categories.

However, if your project has decided to "opt out" and follow a non-standard quality assessment approach, all you have to do is modify your wikiproject banner template to pass {{WPBannerMeta}} a new |QUALITY_CRITERIA=custom parameter. If this is done, changes to the general quality assessment will be ignored, and your project-level assessment will be displayed and used to create categories, as at present. Aymatth2 (talk) 14:29, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

Improve Kauai article

Hello! I've decided to take on the task of improving the article on the island of Kauai. It's of interest to me as I've been there before and figured the article could use some improvement. I'm asking here to get some help and also some opinions as to what needs to be done to improve the article (I know some sources need to be found for sure). Any assistance with this is welcome. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:08, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

To start with, there are some sections where are citations are needed. Cielquiparle (talk) 19:25, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

Proposed Merge discussion for Shave ice

Here is a proposed Merge discussion which may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. The proposal is to merge Shave ice into the main article for Shaved ice. One of the suggestions so far is to simply rename Shave ice to Hawaiian shave ice.

Talk:Shaved ice#Proposed merge of Shave ice into Shaved ice

Cielquiparle (talk) 08:36, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

AfD for Hannah Kihalani Springer

Here is an AfD discussion which may be of interest to members of this WikiProject:

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hannah Kihalani Springer

Cielquiparle (talk) 20:33, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

Article was kept. Cielquiparle (talk) 07:39, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Inactive

Per what is described in WP:INACTIVEWP, this project appears to be inactive. If no one objects to this then I will go ahead and mark this project as being inactive. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 13:28, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

Since it has been a few hours and I"ve received no response I'll mark it as inactive. Since the project is inactive I don't see a reason to wait the typical 7 days for a discussion. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:08, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

I object. Cielquiparle (talk) 19:17, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

@Cielquiparle: Would you mind elaborating as to why? Per the Wikiproject Council guide's section on dealing with inactive WikiProjects (WP:INACTIVEWP) it states "Projects are generally considered inactive if the talk page has received nothing other than routine/automated announcements or unanswered queries for a year or more." which this appears to have. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:21, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

By definition, the Talk page is now active. Cielquiparle (talk) 19:24, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

@Cielquiparle: No... neither of us members of this WikiProject. The only activity has been my question above (which it going unanswered led me to see if it was inactive) and this question is simply seeing if it is inactive. Simply objecting and stating that because you objected, the talk page is active doesn't mean it's active. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:27, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

I didn't realize becoming a member was so exclusive. Cielquiparle (talk) 19:29, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

I would just note that you waited less than eight hours for responses, starting at 3:00 am Hawaii Standard Time. Cielquiparle (talk) 19:50, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

Yes, the reason was because this project seemed inactive so I didn't expect a response. Also, I don't go off of Hawaii–Aleutian Time (Hawaii is always Standard time cause they don't observe DST), I go off of UTC and also my own timezone which is Central Time zone. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:53, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

You waited only eight hours? Are you serious? It does not matter what timezone that your are in, if you do not give sufficient time for a response, you are operating under only your conclusion. Peaceray (talk) 20:49, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

It did seem a bit inopportune for a discussion related to this project to be opened and closed when many of the editors who may have been interested in the subject were either sleeping, stuck in traffic, or just beginning work/school. Regardless of the time zone, more time than just "a few hours" should be allowed for interested people to respond – even if the project really is inactive, there's no rush to mark it as such. Aoi (青い) (talk) 20:07, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

I agree this seems a bit rushed. Maybe give it a week? CT55555(talk) 04:32, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

WikiProjects in general are in need of modernization. This is one of the WikiProjects where I have actually noticed that there are editors interested in Hawaii who have actively contributed to articles I have worked on over the past year, like Danny Kaleikini and Kahala Hotel & Resort. Not to mention the fact that there is very strong content being created under the WikiProject Hawaii banner on an ongoing basis. It all happened without going through this project Talk page, so maybe people are monitoring content through Wikipedia:WikiProject Hawaii/Article alerts or via other routes, but to me it's a sign that there is in fact a community that actively supports the WikiProject. Mahalo nui loa for your kokua everyone. Cielquiparle (talk) 05:27, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Based on this discussion, and the various recent non-automated posts above, I also object to marking this project as inactive. If I need to formally click some buttons to make myself a member for this objection to be meaningful, then I'll do it, but that seems unnecessarily bureaucratic. CT55555(talk) 05:33, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

As an active member of this Wikiproject who tags and assesses new articles based on the new articles feed and works through the cleanup listing, I object to the idea that this Wikiproject is not active. There may not be much talk page on the discussion but as you can see from the objections there are people monitoring this page. I also think that waiting less than the typical 7 days for a response is unreasonable, especially given that all Wikipedia editors are volunteers and may not be able to respond immediately. Mcampany (talk) 13:47, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

I see now that it was quite stupid of me to quickly decide that the project was inactive before even waiting a full day. I do think maybe the definition should mention that if a project does seemingly become active again, that project should remain active for a period of time or else it should be marked as semi-active (not inactive since the project isn't completely dead) ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 13:54, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

@Blaze Wolf I think your definition question is one that probably belongs in a different, more central venue so that more editors can see it and discuss. If you decide to do that I would like to point out a phrase in WP:INACTIVEWP that you should consider: "While inactive projects do no harm to the encyclopedia, it may be beneficial to tag them as inactive, in order to divert interested editors to more active projects on similar topics" (emphasis mine). I don't think there is a good reason to divert attention from a geographical Wikiproject. Marking a project as inactive makes sense when the project's goal has been completed, like a temporary cleanup project or a former maintenance task that has since been automated. In those cases an editor should be discouraged from spending time on that project. However, a geographical Wikiproject does not have an end and will constantly expand as historical research is conducted and contemporary people do notable things. Discouraging editors from working in those topic areas would slow growth and improvement, so I'm not sure how marking a geographical Wikiproject as inactive would benefit Wikipedia as a whole. Thanks, Mcampany (talk) 22:35, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

I object. I believe this project continues to be active and valuable. DaKine (talk) 06:25, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Overthrow of the Hawaiian Kingdom § Treaty of Reciprocity

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Overthrow of the Hawaiian Kingdom § Treaty of Reciprocity. Peaceray (talk) 18:57, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia:Content assessment

You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Content assessment#Proposal: Reclassification of Current & Future-Classes as time parameter, which is within the scope of this WikiProject. This WikiProject received this message because it currently uses "Current" and/or "Future" class(es). There is a proposal to split these two article "classes" into a new parameter "time", in order to standardise article-rating across Wikipedia (per RfC), while also allowing simultaneous usage of quality criteria and time for interest projects. Thanks! —CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • {C•X})} 21:56, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia language switcher in sidebar?

I'm not sure where to ask or what to do about this since it's a site-wide MediaWiki thing, and not about editing articles or whatnot, but I figure someone here may know… for articles that have Hawaiian versions of them (i.e. a corresponding haw.wikipedia.org article is associated via the WikiData item) – for example Oʻahu – in the "Languages" section in the sidebar, it just says <Hawaiʻi>. Should this not be <ʻŌlelo Hawaiʻi>? To my knowledge, that is how you say "Hawaiian" in Hawaiian – not just "Hawaiʻi". The article for Hawaiian language seems to confirm this. Other world languages follow this linguistic pattern of having the word for "language; speech" preceding the country name too, e.g. Bahasa Indonesia for Indonesian and Bahasa Melayu for Malay (these languages are also often referred to as just "Bahasa", just like people just say "ʻōlelo" to mean Hawaiian). And indeed, the "Languages" sidebar option lists Bahasa Indonesia, and Bahasa Melayu… but for Hawaiian it is just Hawaiʻi, not ʻŌlelo Hawaiʻi. I'm not an expert on the language by any means but shouldn't this be changed? It's missing a word, right? How do we alert global Wikipedia admins about this? –Fpmfpm (talk) 13:26, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Discussion about the use of Hawaiian diacritical marks at Talk:2023 Hawaii wildfires#Use of Hawaiian symbols in names

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:2023 Hawaii wildfires § Use of Hawaiian symbols in names. Aoi (青い) (talk) 22:34, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for mentioning this, @Aoi! This is a discussion I'm also quite invested in, and I have a lot of thoughts just like you. Orthography and the linguistic landscape of Hawaiʻi is one of the focuses of my research. I've left some comments there previously, and I look forward to future discussion there and/or here. –Fpmfpm (talk) 04:28, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi! I just wanted to ask what the general WikiProject consensus was on adding kahakō and ʻokina to other pages relating to Hawaiʻi? I was the one who added it initially on the page Aoi referenced (though I honestly didn't check what Wikipedia's stance was on it), and was wondering if it was sort of a by-consensus ordeal or if there was a general rule. I know with some other topics that I've tried working on, such as Classical Composers, certain things are on a page by page basis, so I'm interested in what the general rule is.

I also have no idea if this is the correct place to discuss, so apologies if it's the wrong place! Pacamah (talk) 09:50, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

I’ve commented extensively in there, but I think it’s time Wikipedia started using the correct spelling, as opposed to assuming the mainland perception is WP:COMMONNAME. Plenty of movement from the state (with references) towards an increasing use of the ʻokina and kahakō, and it’s simply incorrect that many articles list the dropped orthography as the “English” spelling and the correct spelling as “Hawaiian” when realistically with the exception of the state itself (where the statehood act lacked the ʻokika) the spelling in English generally uses the correct orthography.

There’s also some very fair criticisms that mainland sources are not WP:RS for Hawaiian place names whereas local sources are much more consistent. Warrenmck (talk) 20:22, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Campaign to upload Lāhainā photographs

Aloha! There has been tremendous attention to the 2023 Hawaii wildfires article. The prediction from ORES is that it could already be at Featured article quality, if not for its lack of stability. This is with the article being less than a week old. A lot of people truly care about what has happened to Lāhainā.

It has occurred to me that we have another opportunity here, which is to ask for pre-wildfire image that are culturally or architecturally significant so that we can codify the memory of Lāhainā as it was. Such an effort was done after the National Museum of Brazil fire with this campaign on Commons. I am in conversation with an Commons administrator & one of the Upload Wizard campaign editors on how to do this.

Meanwhile, there is a category for anyone uploading pictures for the first time that we have set up, c:Category:Images of Lahaina, Hawaii (review needed). Categorization is really helpful, but at the same time it is difficult for new uploaders to navigate.

The Commons administrator also suggested this: When you do your request, probably remind people that if they have existing images online & don't want to do their own uploading to Commons, they can just license them appropriately (recommend CC-BY-SA, ideally 4.0) and let your WikiProject know where they are so someone can upload them, citing the original post as a source. Especially useful if they are on Flickr, where we have the Flickr2Commons tool available. One can find information about that licensing at c:Commons:Licensing#Well-known licenses.

I thought I would start by posting here, then notifying WikiProject Hawaii editors. Although I lived for nearly fourteen years on Oahu, & visited Maui a few times, I have no photos from my brief visits to Lāhainā, let alone anything culturally or architecturally significant. I am hoping that some of you do. Peaceray (talk) 04:54, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Also, as that Commons admin Peaceray just alluded to: anyone who may already have any post-fire images, those are also extremely welcome. - Jmabel | Talk 19:53, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

I live on Maui and was raised here. I don't often go to the west side, but if we're in dire need, I can always request donated photos via a facebook post. GeekInParadise (talk) 23:30, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

I have photos of Lāhainā from around late 2021 – if there's any types/subjects of photos that anyone specifically requests or believes are needed, please let me know and I can take a look this weekend at what I have and try to upload some stuff onto Commons. For post-fire images, if anyone uses Reddit, I've found that users there are often very amenable to helping out improving public knowledge on Wikipedia for articles like these, and are pretty open to uploading their photos if you suggest it to them (not a lot of people think about this, or realize they need to be the one to release the rights in order for them to be able to be used!) If they don't have the technical ability to upload photos themselves, they can always give you public permission to do it in their stead. It seems @GeekInParadise had a similar thought re: Facebook too. –Fpmfpm (talk) 15:00, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Please do no campaign for images. Instead, we could try to sort through and categorize and even request for images (per guidelines) but this is something we need to understand might not be helpful at this moment. I can't even bring myself to respond to Viriditas' comment on my talk page because of his help with an image and other stuff. Probably not helpful. But I will agree with consensus.--Mark Miller (talk) 06:56, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

I don't know what you mean by "campaign" (aside from its usage in the title of this topic, but you replied to my post specifically) and my interpretation wasn't that anyone was saying that this needs to be done imminently, "at this moment", or anything of the sort. I frankly don't understand what any of the second half of your reply means either. Hypothetically, casually discussing where people could collectively source photos, when needed, and asking an opinion on what/which these might be seems completely fine to me. I also offered to upload my own photos… –Fpmfpm (talk) 13:22, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

@Mark Miller and Fpmfpm: Campaign is a Namespace on Commons specifically & on MediaWiki implementations on which it is installed in general.

Campaigns on Commons can have default categories. We intend to us the c:Category:Images of Lahaina, Hawaii (review needed) for the default category.

I firmly believe that this an opportune time to ask people to upload culturally or architecturally significant legacy images of Lāhainā. Peaceray (talk) 22:36, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

"English" vs "Hawaiian" names

There appears to be a standard on Wikipedia of presenting the version of a name without the ʻokina or kahakō as "English" and the other as "Hawaiian", which is a pretty arbitrary distinction on Wikipedia that isn't reflected in local usage. See Waikiki, for example:

"Waikiki (/ˌwaɪkɪˈkiː/; Hawaiian: Waikīkī; Hawaiian: [vɐjˈtiːtiː, wɐjˈkiːkiː]; also known as Waikiki Beach)"

But that very clearly is not true. Discussions on this topic in the recent Maui wildfire talk page have made it pretty clear that there's a high degree of misunderstanding on this. I'd like to get some discussion going to develop consensus about how best to handle this, because what exists on Wikipedia now fails WP:VERIFY spectacularly.

My proposal is we replace the above quoted section, where appropriate (which would be most articles except the state, which is officially "Hawaii" per the statehood act) with the following structure:

"Waikīkī (/ˌwaɪkɪˈkiː, wɐjˈkiːkiː, vɐjˈtiːtiː/ often simplified as 'Waikiki'), also known as Waikīkī Beach"

Which is an accurate reflection of the usage of the kahakō in the state, as opposed to the construct above which attempts to relegate the Hawaiian orthography to exclusive use with the Hawaiian language. This would also involve changing the page name and creating a redirect. I expect, given the Maui fires discussion, we're going to see a lot of resistance from people with a fundamental misunderstanding of what an ʻokina is, so building some consensus first is probably a good idea. Note that this proposal is already in place for the most part in MOS for Hawaii-related articles, so the only real change I'm proposing is changing how the information is presented in the initial line, plus suggesting we go on a cleaning spree. Warrenmck (talk) 23:14, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

Right off hand, I don't know where the dictates of this are on this project. But it has always been that the use is the ʻokina is correct on this project. — Maile (talk) 23:27, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

Warrenmck I found the guideline. Please see Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Hawaii-related articles. Hope this helps. — Maile (talk) 23:44, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
@Maile I likned that in my post, but thank you for making it clearer. It's a good resource for others, but like I said my big concern is that a single user attempting to enforce the MOS without wider consensus for some of the less clearcut changes (see the indented examples in my original post) there's going to be concerns I'm out to right great wrongs. Warrenmck (talk) 00:52, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
I agree with the changes to the lead sentences, but for the article titles, I'm leaning oppose. MOS Hawaii still recommends following WP:COMMONNAME, and Google gives 65.9M results for Waikiki and <1M for Waikīkī. Most of the sources you shared are local organizations which don't reflect a worldwide view of the topic. Changing the article titles feels a bit like righting great wrongs, like you said. TarkusAB^talk/contrib 03:38, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
@TarkusAB I think it’s erroneous to treat it as the common name when it’s generally just a result of not having access to the correct keys, rather than any kind of convention, but I also don’t think that one is cut and dry. The issue is the correct orthography is often the common name locally, as well. Sheer numbers aren’t the end-all of this imo, but again, I think that’s open to discussion. “Waikiki” vs “Waikīkī” is a simple factual issue, for example. Warrenmck (talk) 17:51, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
@TarkusAB I think it’s also worth considering that the cultualral attitudes around indigenous names have strongly changed since the last serious time this was discussed in, I believe, ‘06. @Turnagra‘s examples about NZ are good ones in this case. I think there’s an issue with treating something as WP:COMMONNAME when it’s factually incorrect, and the preponderance of English language sources would fail WP:RS on this one. That may be a hot take, but I’d say the reliable English language sources we should be using are predominantly local ones. I’m very aware this is likely controversial and hence me trying to not act unilaterally here. Warrenmck (talk) 18:06, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
OK, I guess I'm feeling more neutral on this. I'd like to hear other comments. TarkusAB^talk/contrib 22:47, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Have you had a look at the New Zealand Naming Conventions? We've had similar questions in our corner of the Pacific around the use of tohutō (the Māori word for a macron) in the past, and have settled on a reasonably strong policy in favour of their use. We've got an official government gazetteer which is pretty good at recording accurate spellings of Māori names, which we use as a basis for our names - even if the spelling without a macron is common usage. I'm not sure if there is an equivalent database in Hawaii which is as good at recording kahakō and ʻokina, but that could be an option if there's a reliable database which could be used to determine proper spelling.

For what it's worth, I'm very much in favour of what you're proposing - there seems to be a worrying trend of people claiming that any name that isn't derived from English isn't the "English name", regardless of actual usage. Properly using kahakō and ʻokina seem like a no-brainer when there's a clear example. In the case you mentioned, I highly doubt that anyone would look at Waikīkī and think that it's something different from Waikiki. Turnagra (talk) 06:28, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Women in Green's 5th Edit-a-thon

Hello WikiProject Hawaii:

WikiProject Women in Green is holding a month-long Good Article Edit-a-thon event in October 2023!

Running from October 1 to 31, 2023, WikiProject Women in Green (WiG) is hosting a Good Article (GA) edit-a-thon event with the theme Around the World in 31 Days! All experience levels welcome. Never worked on a GA project before? We'll teach you how to get started. Or maybe you're an old hand at GAs – we'd love to have you involved! Participants are invited to work on nominating and/or reviewing GA submissions related to women and women's works (e.g., books, films) during the event period. We hope to collectively cover article subjects from at least 31 countries (or broader international articles) by month's end. GA resources and one-on-one support will be provided by experienced GA editors, and participants will have the opportunity to earn a special WiG barnstar for their efforts.

We hope to see you there!

Grnrchst (talk) 14:40, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Cibotium glaucum

I have made a stub for Cibotium glaucum, the most common tree fern endemic to Hawaii, but am unsure of the Hawaiian name. I can't determine if it uses a ʻokina. If anybody knows, please correct the stub. Thanks, Abductive (reasoning) 06:58, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

Women in the Hawaii Territorial Legislature

I've finally started working on Women in the Hawaii Territorial Legislature, which has been on my to-do list for years as part of my larger project to make it a Good Topic. In a week or so I'll have access to a book that'll help expand it, hopefully to GA level – figured I'd drop a note here in case anyone is interested in collaborating! Some of the bio articles included in that second link are ripe for expansion as well. — ezlev (user/tlk/ctrbs) 07:39, 6 January 2024 (UTC)