Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Handball/Archive 2022

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Disambiguation of links to European Beach Handball Championship

Could you help to disambiguate the links shown at Disambig fix list for European Beach Handball Championship? I find these are often unclear whther they are mens or womens and often include both.— Rod ^talk 16:04, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Thank you - these have largely been addressed now.— Rod ^talk 08:28, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Players from the Olympics will be deleted

Hello @Kante4, LeFnake, Sb008, and Mrloop:

The policy of WP:NOLYMPICS was changed that only medals winner are notable. The old rule was that all Olympians were notable. The problem is now that for the most Olympians which are not from Europe it's very hard to pass WP:GNG. So many of this articles will be contested to be deleted like Pierre Ferdais by @BilledMammal:. I searched at https://www.newspapers.com/search/#query=Pierre+Ferdais and got 71 results, but more or less all of them are only trivial mentions. This will not pass GNG.

My idea is that we have still some information and links. That we will create a page for each nation an year a page for example 1976 Canadian men's Olympic handball team and list there the players. In the end this pages should be a mix between 1992 United States men's Olympic basketball team (General information about the whole team) and Miami Marlins minor league players (Player information). 🤾‍♂️ Malo95 (talk) 08:43, 26 January 2022 (UT

What's next? Actors who didn't win an Oscar are no longer notible, scientists who didn't win a Nobel Prize are no longer notable, etc etc etc? --Sb008 (talk) 12:39, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Well I don't think the comparison with Oscar and Nobel winners is appropriate. Some players didn't play OG because they deserve it in a sports point of view but only because they play for hosting country. And when hosting country does not have good handball teams (e.g. Canada in 76, USA in 84 (except Leora Jones) and 96, Autralia in 2000, Greece (female) in 2004, China (male) in 2008, UK in 2012), well almost all players are low-level ones (better than we for sure, but nothing notable). So in my opinion, I agree with the fact that not all Olympians are notable and so are automatically eligible on Wikipedia. Some are, but it's not (only) as an Olympian but thanks to what they achieved in a sports point of view (for instance notable player of their NT or good club player, especially in European cups).

Nowadays, another way not to be off the radar is to create articles Handball at the XXXX Summer Olympics – Men's team rosters for each edition. I'm not sure that articles like 1976 Canadian men's Olympic handball team would be a good idea since there will not be many things to say, it will more or less just a database with squad and results? On French Wikipedia, I created such articles for French NT but in that case, France have had (very) good results and since 1st appearance was in 1992, there are many data in newspapers or magazine that may be available on the Internet (at least in French).

Sorry if I'm rude, I'm maybe influenced by rules on French wikipedia which are more strict than here. But you asked my opinion so I give it :-) --LeFnake (talk) 14:35, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

New article

Hello there! I created the article List of handballers with 1000 or more international goals. I discussed with Kante4 before, that it's a shame that handball doesn't have as many articles as other sports, and he also was in favor of creating this article. It's based on the football equivalent List of men's footballers with 50 or more international goals As said before, it's absolutely not up to me what the cut off should be, but 1000 goals seems to be alright, as there are so many with at least 500 goals, so it didn't seem that special to me. It's hard to be to figure out what to write in the intro as well, just like it was hard finding sources for a lot of it :( Handball truly needs more love, and it's great to see people contribute to it on Wikipedia. I found 24 players with 1000 or more goals, but i'm sure there might be a few more? I truly did my best to research it, but the information about it is so limited..

Would like to ping you two, if you could add, remove or correct something in the article, that would be great! I'm sure I didn't do the best job, but at least it's a start eh? @Kante4 and LeFnake:—Speun (talk • contribs) 20:23, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello @Speun:

Please sign your post with ~~~~ in the discussion part

Give a better name for your topics in the discussion

I addressed this topic already tree post above this under Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Handball#List of handballers with 1000 or more international goals

Please source your list, because it's not clear were you god this numbers.

To the list itself:

I would prefer a list based on the games played and not at the goals (Like the German List) because on goals no goalkeepers will be listed and tzey are also important and all players with 1000+ goals have played 200 games (Marc Baumgartner is the only exception with 169 games)

Maybe the list should be 200+ games or 750+ goals.

You add the goal ratio this is cool but I also would add the number of games in the list

Vasile Stîngă has 269 games and 1414 goals this would be a ratio of 5.26 and not 6.55 (Source:Page: 35 / Number 741

Kind regards 🤾‍♂️ Malo95 (talk) 08:58, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi there ! I agree that a list about games played may be better to include goalkeepers and maybe defenders. But as said before, the main issue will be to find accurate sources about the list: how can we be sure that noone is missing? Especially in African, Asian or American countries? With the 1000 goals threshold, it will limit the risk of missing one player, but it's not 100% guarantee.

For instance, I'm really doubtful that Dujshebaev player 133 games (and then scored 726) with USSR/Unified Team/Russia. In this interview in French, we can read that from 21th March 1995, he can play for Spain two years after his last match with Russia (the 1993 World championship finale indeed was played 20th March 1993). Considering that his first cap with USSR was in 1990 (he didn't play at 1990 World championship but do played at the Goodwill Games in July 1990), it would mean that he played 133 games in less that 3 years, at a time when USSR was collapsing: for me, it's far too much. Whether the number are totally fake, or they include matchs with junior NT, or B team, or universitary team, or military team (he played for CSKA, the army club), etc. Nowadays, in the same previous interview, it is said that he played 81 games with USSR, CIS (=Unified Team ?) and Russia, which seems more likely thant 133. This Danish article, this spanish blog (the source also says that he played 1989 supercup, I don't know if, @Malo95:, you could find some info about it ?), the same blog and this fan blog (not very realiable source) also say he played 81 matches for Russia or USSR.

That being said, other stats seems accurate for me, except maybe El Ahmar as Malo95 previously reported. --LeFnake (talk) 17:52, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

He didn't play at the Supercup 1989. I hope you are able to open this link. As information under this link is a search portal for three East-German newspapers. You have to login via Google or an other method. You will find information to all games of the East-German national teams. 🤾‍♂️ Malo95 (talk) 10:13, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Montenegro squad 2022 European Men's Handball Championship

Template:Montenegro squad 2022 European Men's Handball Championship has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. Nigej (talk) 15:44, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

User script to detect unreliable sources

I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to unreliable sources and predatory journals. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the 39th most imported script on Wikipedia. The idea is that it takes something like

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Requested move at Talk:HC Visé Basse Meuse#Requested move 21 June 2022

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:HC Visé Basse Meuse#Requested move 21 June 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 02:07, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

Nomination for merger of Template:Infobox handball league

Template:Infobox handball league has been nominated for merging with Template:Infobox sports league. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you. –Aidan721 (talk) 14:32, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

Short handball biographies

Other users created a list to search for biographies about Olympic athletes which are less than 1 kB. Because most likely they will fail WP:NOLYMPIC at the moment.

I created a similar list for handball biographies of Olympic athlets. At the moment there are 153 biographies which are less as 1 KB.

But for example Johan Eklund (handballer) has German and Swedish articles which are long enough.

In two weeks I'll have more time and I will start to extend this articles. Could @LeFnake, Kante4, Sb008, Argemiro1975, MarkoOn, and Dellux mkd: and others help me to improve this articles.

At the bottom of the page there is a second list of all handball biographies with less than 2 KB (Olympic athletes are excluded). At the moment this list has 216 results. 🤾‍♂️ Malo95 (talk) 07:42, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

I added list of the countries at the bottom from where the main authors of this Project come from. Could you please work at the list from your country. Thank you. 🤾‍♂️ Malo95 (talk) 08:19, 7 June 2022 (UTC)