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Rich Greeks & Scholars, Ali Pasha

(Originally from Talk:Greek War of Independence#Rich Greeks & Scholars, Ali Pasha)I think this article does not really cover the backround of the Revolution and its preparation. Except Dionysius, Feraios and the Filiki Etairia, there are not significant references to some important scholars, preparing the people. I think there should be an entire section devoted to them and their great work (i.e. we should give more weight to people like Kosmas o Aitolos, Methodius Anthrakites, Neofytos Doukas). Also, many rich Greeks that funded the Revolution (Demetrios Basileiou, Constantine Radus, L.Plakidas, Manthos Oikonomou, etc.) and we should refer to them seperatly. Also, the situation inside the Empire should be given more weight (ie, Vizier Ali Pasha's revolution that aided the Greeks greatly should be given more weight- Ali Pasha taught many Greeks in his military Academy, like Adroutsos, and was said to be Filikos). So, I propose to keep the section "Background" (to cover the historical Background) and create a new section like "Preparation of the Revolution" or so, with 4 sub-sections. In it, we could include "Armatoloi" and "Filiki Etairia", the second being much more focused in Filiki Etairia than it is now. The two new sections can be "Spiritual and Economical preparation" (or so) and "The situation in the Empire" (or so). That is a plan-starting proposal, that I believe should be reasonably discussed. What say you?--Michael X the White (talk) 16:29, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

I am not negative to such a structure but before implementing we should have in mind that the Background section is already too long (for a background section!). It already has 3 sub-sections and a long intro. If we add another section (with sub-sections), imagine how long the pro-war sections may become! Then, how many sections and sub-sections are we going to devote to the main wars sections (the overall structure should be balanced)? Therefore, I agree that the spiritual and financial preparations of the war should be more comprehensively covered, but we should try not to overdo it, and, wherever possible, take advantage of WP:SS. Some aspects of this spiritual renaissance are already covered in "Greeks under Ottoman rule". Yes, we can make it more comprehensible, but we should also have in mind that this is not the article to develop the Greek Enlightenment issues. In general, we have the difficult task to keep a difficult balance between proper length and comprehensiveness throughout the article. Fortunately, its length its logical right now, and we have the possibility to expand it, but we shouldn't overdo it.--Yannismarou (talk) 16:47, 5 September 2008 (UTC)