Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Gaelic games/Biographies
Article title conventions
[edit]Bearing in mind the following:
- Wikipedia:Naming conventions (sportspeople)
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Gaelic games/bio
- Dual player
- Talk:Brian Murphy (Gaelic games)#Move?
- Talk:John Bunyan (sportsperson)#Move?
- Talk:John Bunyan (sportsperson)#Requested move
I propose the following naming conventions GAA player bio articles:
- Where not a dual player:
- Usual dab: John Foo (hurler) (or John Foo (footballer) or Joan Foo (camogie) as the case may be)
- John Foo (Gaelic footballer) if another John Foo plays soccer or Australian rules football (but not rugby or gridiron)
- I think John Foo (Gaelic footballer) is preferable to John Foo (Irish footballer) even when both are unambiguous
- I think Joan Foo (Gaelic footballer) is preferable to Joan Foo (ladies' Gaelic footballer) where relevant
- If still ambiguous, use the following formats (in descending order of preference)
- John Foo (Cork hurler)
- John Foo (Cork and Dublin hurler) if represented both counties at senior level, and one does not predominate over the other in the popular consciousness)
- If John Foo from Cork plays Gaelic football and John Foo from Dublin plays soccer, we could prefer either of
- John Foo (Gaelic footballer) and John Foo (association footballer) (or John Foo (Irish association footballer) if needed)
- John Foo (Cork footballer) and John Foo (Dublin footballer) or
- My vote is for #1 as it is more likely to be obvious; fans of either code are less likely to know which county a player came from than to know that they play the correct sport in the first place.
- John Foo (Cork hurler, born 1977)
- John Foo (St. Finbarr's hurler, born 1977)
- John Foo (Cork hurler)
- Where is a dual player:
- If reasonably well-known in both:
- John Foo (sportsperson) if not ambiguous
- redirect from John Foo (dual player) and John Foo (footballer) and John Foo (Gaelic footballer) and John Foo (hurler)
- If "sportsperson" is ambiguous (whether clashing with other GAA players or with players other sports), try (in descending order of preference)
- John Foo (Irish sportsperson)
- John Foo (Cork sportsperson)
- John Foo (Gaelic football and hurling) (or John Foo (hurling and Gaelic football) if better known in hurling)
- John Foo (Cork Gaelic football and hurling)
- John Foo (St. Finbarr's Gaelic football and hurling)
- John Foo (Vins Gaelic football and Blackrock hurling)
- John Foo (Gaelic football and hurling, born 1977)
- John Foo (Cork Gaelic football and hurling, born 1977)
- John Foo (St. Finbarr's Gaelic football and hurling, born 1977)
- John Foo (sportsperson) if not ambiguous
- If significantly better known in one (say hurling) than the other:
- Use John Foo (hurler) if not ambiguous
- If "hurler" is ambiguous same cases as listed above for non-dual player
- Redirect from John Foo (dual player)
- For each of John Foo (Gaelic footballer) and John Foo (footballer) and John Foo (sportsperson)
- if not ambiguous redirect
- otherwise add hatnote to existing article of that name and/or add line to DAB page
- Use John Foo (hurler) if not ambiguous
- If reasonably well-known in both:
jnestorius(talk) 20:38, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
Table of examples
[edit]Discussion
[edit]One issue is cases where we don't have the player's date of birth. Date of death would do but often won't apply. jnestorius(talk) 09:53, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
On reflection, I think we should prefer John Foo (footballer) (already widely used in articles) to John Foo (Gaelic footballer) This will require a change to Wikipedia:Naming conventions (sportspeople)#Association football (soccer) where onlky US, Canada, Australia are exceptions. I will revise the above proposal in light of this when I get the time. jnestorius(talk) 15:28, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
- Updated. jnestorius(talk) 20:38, 15 August 2017 (UTC)