Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Gaelic games/Archive 2017

Loaded language

Hi. As of 4 Feb 2017, more than 550 articles use the term "excelled at hurling". In most cases we use it as part of an introduction, to explain perhaps how a player was better-than-average - before then perhaps describing how they progressed to inter-county level. "Excelled" is in a category (along with other words to watch like "great", "outstanding", "leading", "brilliant", "awesome", etc) of loaded terms that are best avoided (in short, "excelled" is at best subjective and relative, and at worst, representative of an opinion). I am considering replacing the majority of these instances. In particular those which read "first excelled at hurling [in his youth/with club X/with school Y]". With "first played competitive hurling [in his youth/with club X/with school Y]". The latter being less subjective. Unless there are other thoughts on how best to address these NPOV tone issues, I'll likely progress this in the coming weeks. Guliolopez (talk) 20:40, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

Any thoughts before I have a stab at this? Guliolopez (talk) 01:11, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

I agree with your opinion here. I feel that the word excel should indeed be restricted to those performances which truly are much better than standard. Pmunited (talk) 15:00, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi. I have replaced or removed all the "excelled at hurling" examples. There are now none remaining. I would note however that there are still examples of loaded language, unattributed POV, tone issues and WP:WTW examples in many articles within the scope of the GAA WikiProject. For example, we have 400+ articles which describe various GAA competitions as awarding "coveted" medals. This type of adjective/editorial is unnecessary. That, for example, a player won an All-Ireland medal is strong enough to stand on its own. We don't need the puffery and unattributed opinion on the perceived value of the medal, how much the player wanted it, or how much other unnamed/unattributed people wanted it. Not least as, if the player didn't "covet" (want) an All-Ireland medal, then WTF was he doing training half his life trying to do so :) It's just unnecessary bumf and commentary - better suited to a backpage sports editorial than an encyclopedia article. Unless there are other comments, I may start looking at this type of thing next. Guliolopez (talk) 00:34, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

RFC on sports notability

An RFC has recently been started regarding a potential change to the notability guidelines for sportspeople. Please join in the conversation. Thank you. Primefac (talk) 23:08, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

Kilconly GAA

Kilconly GAA looks to me as if it's been subjected to some fairly complex sustained vandalism, dating back to at least 2015. The most obvious examples are the recent addition of a ridiculous-looking squad full of random names and flags, removal of categories, and Barack Obama instead of Breffny Morgan in the Celebrity Bainisteoir section (that change was made on 8 March 2015, by User:Dragon Tribiani who was blocked for vandalism later that day). I don't feel comfortable about reverting back to an earlier version, because I might throw out both baby and bathwater. Could one of the knowledgeable editors here help sort out the problems? It might also be worth adding this page to your watchlist, to catch any more nonsense of this sort early on. Narky Blert (talk) 13:35, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

I agree there is a tremendous amount of vandalism here. I will start to clean this up to the best of my ability. It needs to be better categorized and will be on my watch list. Pmunited (talk) 14:42, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

Biography article title conventions

I've opened a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Gaelic games/bio#Article title conventions. jnestorius^(talk) 09:54, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

Discussion at NSPORTS

Hello all. In an effort to finally resolve the never-ending and annoying GNG v SSG issue, I've proposed a revision of the NSPORTS introduction. You are all invited to take part in the discussion. Thank you. Jack | ^{talk page} 06:20, 20 September 2017 (UTC)