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List of Television Episodes Notable for Negative Reception?

Can this be a new article/list? There are many television series that have been on for decades that have had notoriously bad episodes. For example, One Coarse Meal (SpongeBob SquarePants), Lisa Goes Gaga (The Simpsons), Skibidi Biden (The Late Show with Stephen Colbert), Seahorse Seashell Party (Family Guy), Arnold Betrays Iggy (Hey Arnold!), American Fung (American Dad), IMeet Fred (iCarly), Last Forever: Part Two (How I Met Your Mother), etc. Most of these episodes ruined the reputation of their series, are no longer aired on TV, or the writers have apologised for the episodes in interviews or on social medias. Edelgardvonhresvelg (talk) 18:36, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

How are these notable together? Or is it just a list for the sake of a list? -- Alex_21 _TALK 08:59, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

They are all considered to be the worst of their respective series by many casual viewers and critics or ruined their series reputation to a degree and in some cases, the writers apologised for how bad these episodes are. For example, the aforementioned Skibidi Biden from Stephen Colbert, Shark Week's Megalodon episode, and Everyone Knows it's Bendy (Fosters Home for Imaginary Friends). There are lists for TV shows considered to be the worst and sitcoms considered the worst. So, I do not see anything wrong with this list, provided that there are Wikipedia-trusted sources outside of IMDB and YouTubers that cite these episodes as the worst and multiple entries aside from the ones I mentioned as examples. Edelgardvonhresvelg (talk) 01:37, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Then if you would like to create a draft for the article and submit it through WP:AFC, go for it. -- Alex_21 _TALK 01:40, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Do you have any suggestions outside of the ten that I mentioned? Edelgardvonhresvelg (talk) 02:22, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

It stands out to me a bit that even as you're claiming these are considered the worst episodes of their series, the episodes you mention in your second post lack articles of their own. Meanwhile, I looked at "Lisa Goes Gaga", which you cited in your initial post, and the article for that episode claims that it received "mixed to negative" reception, which implies it's far from being notoriously bad. "Skibidi Biden" similarly seems to lack the level of condemnation that you're ascribing to it. DonIago (talk) 01:45, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Polygon cited Skibidi BIden as "the worst thing that Stephen Colbert has ever done" and many casual viewers hated it. Some described it as "the 9/11 of television." If Lisa Goes Gaga is not considered to be notably bad by Wikipedia-trusted sources outside of IMDB, then I suppose that The Principal and The Pauper could be in place of it as a Simpsons episode on the list. Even Matt Groening, the series creator disliked the episode. The Megalodon episode from Shark Week has its own article, and it is featured on the list for notably bad television series.

Skibidi Biden Is The Worst Thing Stephen Colbert Has Done

obamaatredrobin en X: "the 9/11 of television https://t.co/xqkbg2hg0n" / X

Stephen Colbert's "Skibidi Biden" Segment | Know Your Meme Edelgardvonhresvelg (talk) 02:17, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

From a video game side we have List of video games notable for negative reception but key for being on that list is not only an established critic aggregate less than 50/100 or 50%, but that there are long-term aspects of being that critically bad (that is, documented in reliable sources not associated with being a review), as to avoid simply just being a list of games with poor review scores. I think if applied to TV shows, you are definitely going to need a pretty strong criteria beyond just lower review scores, and unlike video games, where one bad game can cost a studio, episodes are generally part of a package so one bad episode is not going to have that great an impact. In other words, I think this would be highly difficult to create in the first place for episodes. --Masem (t) 12:30, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

I started the draft and have a decent number of sources ranging from news articles and books covering the negative receptions of episodes such as Principal and The Pauper and Megalodon: The Monster Shark Lives. Principal and The Pauper is often cited to be the start of The Simpsons' decline in quality by both critics and fans, and the megalodon special caused many to lose faith in Discovery and Shark Week in addition to perpetuating the erroneous belief of the megalodon still being extant in an unexplored part of the ocean. As I stated above, these episodes either ruined the reputations of their series or were so bad that the writers or series creators apologised or expressed disdain for them. Such as Matt Groening and Lauren Faust expressing disdain for Principal and The Pauper and Everyone Knows it's Bendy.

The criteria is that one MUST provide a source detailing how poorly the episode is received, entries that solely use IMDB or fanmade lists as sources will be removed. Edelgardvonhresvelg (talk) 18:27, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Do you have a link to the article in draftspace? I think other editors (myself included) could provide better feedback if they could see an actual work-in-progress instead of speculating about how it could look. RunningTiger123 (talk) 21:45, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

How do I provide the link? I have made decent progress on the draft with 12 entries so far.

The Principal and The Pauper (The Simpsons)

Seahorse Seashell Party (Family Guy)

American Fung (American Dad!)

Last Forever: Part Two (How I Met Your Mother)

One Coarse Meal (SpongeBob SquarePants)

Everyone Knows it's Bendy (Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends)

The Great Divide (Avatar: The Last Air Bender)

Ren Seeks Help (Ren and Stimpy: Adult Party Cartoon)

Angel One (Star Trek: The Next Generation)

Skibidi Biden (Stephen Colbert)

Megalodon: The Monster Shark Lives (Shark Week)

The Bells (Game of Thrones)

I could use some help in finding sources for claims on how bad some of these episodes were received though. I was able to find sources for Matt Groening, the creators of Avatar, and Lauren Faust apologising and expressing regret for their respective episodes, However, I have read claims on many sites such as TV Tropes and SpongeBuddy Mania of Clancy Brown, the voice actor for Mr. Krabs expressing hate and discomfort for One Coarse Meal due to the episode depicting Krabs as a phycological abuser that tortures Plankton to the point of attempted suicide. I cannot find a source on either the English, French, Italian, or Spanish internet that describes Brown's opinions on the episode unlike I was able to find sources for the three previously mentioned. Edelgardvonhresvelg (talk) 23:10, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Listing items here doesn't help. You should start writing this information down in article form using a draft. See Wikipedia:Drafts, particularly the section "Creating and editing drafts". RunningTiger123 (talk) 01:02, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Split proposal for Talent agent

I have proposed splitting Talent agent into a new article Talent agency. Members of this WikiProject are welcome to contribute at Talk:Talent agent#Proposed split. Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 21:34, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for The Bill

The Bill has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 21:17, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

The Next Line

The Next Line has been unsourced since 2009. "Next Line" + "Kevin Frank" turned up zero results on newspapers.com and GBooks. Google itself even asked "did you mean Kevin Franke" while giving only fan forums, Wikipedia mirrors, and the like. Throwing this out there to see if maybe someone could find something I missed. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 18:12, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Splitting contestants by season

Is it appropriate to split a contestant category into subcategories based on which season they were on? For example Category:America's Got Talent contestants or Category:RuPaul's Drag Race contestants. Assume that each season has at least 5 contestants with articles...Naraht (talk) 23:46, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

I think that would be in WP:NARROWCAT territory. It would actually be worse than some of the examples given; at least there's a chance for "Sportsmen from Brisbane" to organically grow over the years. At most, "Season X America's Got Talent contestants" is going to muster 48 articles (assuming everyone taking part becomes a notable person). - X201 (talk) 08:36, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Film Music Reporter

I have started a discussion about the reliability of this website, which is widely used in articles that fall within the scope of this WikiProject, at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#Film Music Reporter. All thoughts are welcome. My hope is to come to a definitive consensus on the matter which can be recorded at WP:RS/PS. - adamstom97 (talk) 09:51, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of PixL

The article PixL has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Stub article with just 3 sentences and 2 sources, and has had the Notability template since 2020. I believe this article fails WP:GNG.

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Hmm, I couldn't find great sources from a quick google, but I am UK based, so that might not be the best. I find it hard to believe a channel associated with Amazon that makes original movies, and has run for almost 15 years is non-notable though. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:53, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

@Lee Vilenski, it's merely something Amazon sells subscriptions to, not something Amazon runs. The reason for its GNG obscurity likely lies in its Christian orientation. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 00:45, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Sure. I'm not religious, I don't really know a great deal about that side of the world. There would presumably be Christian based reliable sources that talk about this sort of thing though, right? Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:07, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Nomination of Bleach season 1 for featured list removal

I have nominated Bleach season 1 for featured list removal. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured list criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks; editors may declare to "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. RunningTiger123 (talk) 00:53, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

FAR for Bart Simpson

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Discussion at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Television § Episode Count in Infobox

 You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Television § Episode Count in Infobox. A discussion regarding whether the episode count in the Infobox should include episodes released early on a streaming service that isn't the original network. TheDoctorWho (talk) 18:10, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

New standers?

Under the example character articles 2/3 of the example FAs have been delisted. The third is part of set currently being audited.

Because of this I was hoping that new examples could be selected? Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 04:28, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Lost (2004 TV series)#Requested move 28 October 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Lost (2004 TV series)#Requested move 28 October 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Raladic (talk) 05:16, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

Year categories

Currently, the TV article category system is broken down by year as follows:

• Category:YYYY in Fooian television
  • Category:YYYY Fooian television series debuts
  • Category:YYYY Fooian television series endings
  • Category:YYYY Fooian television seasons

This is evidently based on the seasonal TV format common in the US. But it doesn't work well for places where limited-run series are the norm. For example, Descendants of the Sun is in Category:2016 South Korean television series debuts and Category:2016 South Korean television series endings, back to back (and is missing from the season category as there are no individual seasons). It becomes rather redundant when almost all of a country's drama series have to be categorised this way.

This is also the case for Thai drama series. Recently, User:วรุฒ หิ่มสาใจ has been creating non-standard categories such as Category:2022 Thai television dramas presumably to avoid this redundancy. However, this creates problems due to (1) incompatibility with the larger category scheme, and (2) introducing the term "television dramas" into the categorisation, leading to inconsistency and ambiguity, as there's already Category:Drama television series by country where drama is meant as the genre rather than an umbrella term. (Or is it? The current categorisation is really confusing.)

I'm reluctant to wholesale revert his edits, as they do address the issue mentioned above. But then I'm also unsure how to integrate these categories into the TV categorisation scheme. (The user has also made a complete mess of the Thailand TV tree.)

On the whole, I think it boils down to two things:

1. Should an additional by-year category tree be created for limited-run series, and how should the categories be titled?
2. Should television dramas be used as an umbrella term that covers TV dramas in the wider sense (all fictional scripted shows regardless of genre, so also including e.g. action, sci-fi, etc.)? Or does the existing drama television series category already serve this function?

--Paul_012 (talk) 05:46, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

I want to separate the TV dramas and series from the TV shows such as game shows, talk shows, and variety shows into the own categories. How can I do this without causing any problems? วรุฒ หิ่มสาใจ (talk) 07:32, 7 November 2024 (UTC)