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Remove Philip Henry

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Removed 4-0. Makkool (talk) 17:09, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

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With fewer than 500 pageviews in the last 30 days (many VA5 articles have over 10K) and only three interwikis, I'm struggling to see how he's known. Religious dissention in Britain is well-represented and there are probably better adds than he pbp 16:22, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

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  1. pbp 16:22, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
  2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 12:01, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
  3. Makkool (talk) 13:05, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
  4. --Thi (talk) 21:18, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
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Add Mary Anning  5

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Added 4-0. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 22:42, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

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“She became known internationally for her discoveries in Jurassic marine fossil beds in the cliffs along the English Channel at Lyme Regis in the county of Dorset, Southwest England. Anning's findings contributed to changes in scientific thinking about prehistoric life and the history of the Earth.”

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  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 13:04, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
  2. J947 ‡ edits 05:07, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
  3. Iostn (talk) 17:09, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
  4. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 03:35, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
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Add Nettie Stevens  5

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Added 4-0. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 22:44, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

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American geneticist credited with discovering sex chromosomes.

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  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 13:04, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
  2. Per nominator. --Grnrchst (talk) 15:09, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
  3. Iostn (talk) 17:09, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
  4. How is she not listed? QuicoleJR (talk) 18:58, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Annie Edson Taylor

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Removed 4-0. Makkool (talk) 13:56, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

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Pretty impressive for what she done, but I'm not sure if she's that vital to be listed. She just known for going over Niagara Falls, and her unfortunate life after that.

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  1. 49p (talk) 23:51, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
  2. per nom. Makkool (talk) 20:27, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
  3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 01:55, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
  4. Interesting feat, but not vital. The Blue Rider 15:51, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
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Move Gilles de Rais  5 to murder (under "Miscellaneous")

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Moved to Miscellaneous 4-0. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 22:33, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

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Not someone who is most well-known today for his military standing

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  1. As nom Iostn (talk) 20:59, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
  2. definitely Aurangzebra (talk) 21:17, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
  3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 01:55, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
  4. --Thi (talk) 21:07, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Nelly

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Removed 4-0. Makkool (talk) 18:18, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

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He's definitely popular and commercial selling, but is he really vital? It's giving the same reasons on why we removed Akon. Mid-importance on Wikiproject Hip-hop.

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  1. 49p (talk) 01:53, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
  2. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 16:09, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
  3. per nom. λ NegativeMP1 18:44, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
  4. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 01:55, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
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Does anything that that hip-hop artists is way too over-populated? "Electronic music" gets 25 articles, "Rock and roll" only gets 20, Punk and related genres gets 26, Country gets 36 articles etc. Is there much to warrant about 50 articles for artists in hip-hop compared to others? We could cut some. 49p (talk) 01:53, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Country music does not deserve 36 artists to be listed as vital, and I'm saying this as a Texan. It is near entirely an Americentric music genre, with its popularity outside of the United States, while existent, is very small. And most of the listed artists for country were only popular before it even expanded outside of the United States, or are only popular in the United States. λ NegativeMP1 18:43, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
I think this makes sense. Hip hop is extremely popular, has global appeal unlike country, isn't considered a subculture/subgenre like punk, and also has an image element to it unlike electronic music where there typically are no lyrics involved and you're usually just a DJ operating on a computer (obviously there are exceptions to all of these). Rock and roll is the only odd one but that's because it specifically refers to the Chuck Berry 1950's style of rock. If we take all of rock, there are way more entries there than in hip hop. Aurangzebra (talk) 19:16, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Harry Kendall Thaw

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Removed 4-0. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 22:28, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

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"He is most notable for murdering the renowned architect Stanford White", which has been named, the "trial of the century" but that's a long list, and White is not VA5.

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  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 20:49, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
  2. Not important. QuicoleJR (talk) 11:38, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
  3. per above. starship.paint (RUN) 14:54, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
  4. --Thi (talk) 21:15, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Eugene Klein (philatelist) and Walter Breen

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Both removed, Klein 5-0 and Breen 4-1. Makkool (talk) 20:30, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

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How many stamp or coin collectors should we list? Six are way too many.

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  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 20:49, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
  2. pbp 02:48, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
  3. per above. starship.paint (RUN) 14:54, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
  4. --Thi (talk) 21:15, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
  5. Support Eugene Klein only Iostn (talk) 21:38, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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  1. Oppose removing Walter Breen; niche, but he was influential enough that he developed one of the primary ways of cataloging coins, also note the high number of pageviews in spite of the low number of interwikis, and that he isn't solely influential on numistatics. Iostn (talk) 21:38, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Mitt Romney  5

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Not removed 2-3. Makkool (talk) 18:47, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

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Seems like recentism, I think we list too many failed presidential candidates and he didn't really influence his party compared to someone like Goldwater.

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  1. As nominator. Kevinishere15 (talk) 08:42, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
  2. I believe we are being overly inclusive of American politicians and businessmen. Mitt Romney had a lot of accomplishments, but really the reason we care about him is recency. For example, Walter Mondale was Jimmy Carters Vice President, a Senator, Minnesota Attorney General, U.S. Ambassador to Japan, and ran as the Democratic nominee against Ronald Regan in 1984. His talk page indicates that in 2021 upon his death, his was in the top 25 most viewed Wikipedia articles. His Wikipedia page is not a vital article, and I don't believe it should be. If he is not considered Vital, then Mitt Romney really shouldn't be either. If Mitt Romney IS considered vital, then the list of people who should qualify grows exponeitally.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:05, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
    Mitt Romney is more vital than quite a few Americans listed at VA5 in fields other than politics... pbp 00:42, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
    I would honestly nominate Mondale for VA Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 01:46, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
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  1. I am of the opinion that we went too crazy with removals awhile back. Guy was governor of one state, Senator of another, a vulture capitalist and organized an Olympics pbp 11:46, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
  2. As it stands there are better politican removals to propose, such as the myriad Oceanian listings. Iostn (talk) 20:59, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
  3. There are defently more politicians less notable then Romney Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 15:23, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
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Remove André Borschberg

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Removed 4-0. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 22:28, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

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The article states he has broken a few world records, but it has been tagged for self-promotion and lacks sources.

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  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 20:49, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
  2. pbp 02:47, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
  3. per above. starship.paint (RUN) 14:54, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
  4. --Thi (talk) 21:15, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
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Remove Tama Janowitz

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Removed 4-0. Makkool (talk) 18:48, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

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Only famous for one of her books which was made into a movie, and for being part of a group with a few other writers who we list. Only one book has an article, and that book has no interwikis. This person is not vital.

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  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 11:53, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
  2. Makkool (talk) 16:10, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
  3. Support. Slaves of New York was a big deal when it came out but it did not stand the test of time. Aurangzebra (talk) 17:59, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
  4. per above. starship.paint (RUN) 14:54, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
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