Wikipedia talk:Today's featured article/March 1, 2014
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Previous discussion
[edit]...is to be found at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests/Fuck (film). BencherliteTalk 20:57, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
TFA blurb text
[edit]All sorted, I think, closing to avoid distractions for others. BencherliteTalk 21:17, 18 February 2014 (UTC) |
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Mention of amount of usages[edit]I've removed "which is used 857 times in the film" from the first sentence of the lede diff. I think it detracts here from the sentence, and makes the first sentence a bit long. It's also not in the lede of the article itself. — Cirt (talk) 21:29, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
American Film Institute[edit]The American Film Institute said, "Ultimately, [it] is a movie about free speech ... Freedom of expression must extend to words that offend." The lede of the article ends with this text, I think the blurb text here at TFA should end with this text, as well. We can easily make room by trimming mention of Billy Connolly and Alanis Morissette, as Bencherlite had previously observed that TFAR participants thought there was a lot of name-dropping of celebrities. — Cirt (talk) 21:33, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
Minor copy edit to first sentence[edit]I've made a minor copy edit to first sentence, diff, changing "an integral part of societal discussions" to more concise: "key to discussions". Cheers, — Cirt (talk) 21:38, 11 February 2014 (UTC) Law professor Fairman book on same subject[edit]I think there is an easy way to add Law professor Fairman without using another addition of the word "fuck", example text: Law professor Christopher M. Fairman commented on the film's importance in his 2009 book on the same subject. We can make room for it by removing mention of Bill Plympton, though most interesting, not essential to understand the subject of the film itself, at least, not in the lede text. — Cirt (talk) 22:22, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
Minor trim to first sentence, removed: "the worlds of"[edit]If we trim "the worlds of", from the first sentence, it helps keep it more concise, without sacrificing meaning at all. :) — Cirt (talk) 22:26, 11 February 2014 (UTC) Looks much better[edit]Okay, the blurb text looks much better! :) Total size of blurb text including spaces is now 1,147 characters. Hopefully above are satisfactory improvements, — Cirt (talk) 22:33, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
Minor edit: Split sentences[edit]I've made a minor copy edit and split a longer sentence in two, while also shortening total wording, please see diff, thank you. — Cirt (talk) 17:58, 18 February 2014 (UTC) Split up sentences in minor edit after A. O. Scott[edit]I've split up sentences in a minor edit, after the A. O. Scott mention, see diff. This also shortens blurb total wording slightly. — Cirt (talk) 18:01, 18 February 2014 (UTC) Minor edit to avoid use of word "linguist" so close to prior sentence[edit]I've made a minor edit to avoid use of word "linguist" so close to its usage in a prior sentence, please see diff. This also shortens total wording of blurb text slightly. Cheers, — Cirt (talk) 18:05, 18 February 2014 (UTC) Release info should be before reception info[edit]Release info should be before Reception info in blurb text, I've reordered it here, diff. Cheers, — Cirt (talk) 18:09, 18 February 2014 (UTC) Minor copy edit to DVD mention[edit]I've made a minor copy edit to DVD mention. diff. Changed from " It was released on DVD in America and in the UK and used as a resource in university courses. " to "Its DVD was released in the U.S. and UK and used as a resource in university courses." — Cirt (talk) 18:11, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
"film" already used in prior sentence, changed to "it"[edit]"Film" was already used in a prior sentence, changed to "it" for next sentence. diff. Cheers, — Cirt (talk) 18:13, 18 February 2014 (UTC) Changed "language or location" to "background" as variants of word "language" were used already[edit]I changed the phrase "language or location" to "background", as variants of the word "language" were used already earlier in the blurb text. Please see diff. Thank you, — Cirt (talk) 18:15, 18 February 2014 (UTC) More concise wording, history and evolution[edit]Trimmed "history and", as evolution is simpler and states essentially the same thing. Please see diff. Thank you, — Cirt (talk) 18:19, 18 February 2014 (UTC) Trimmed first sentence slightly[edit]Trimmed "director" from first sentence; as the sentence already states the film is "by Steve Anderson", we therefore know he is the filmmaker. Please see diff. Cheers, — Cirt (talk) 18:24, 18 February 2014 (UTC) No need for both "which" and "that" in first sentence[edit]No need for both "which" and "that" in first sentence, when just one of them will do nicely. Please see diff. Cheers, — Cirt (talk) 18:27, 18 February 2014 (UTC) Comedy is mentioned later as "comedian", and comedy is part of society[edit]Removed "comedy", as comedy is mentioned later as "Comedian..."; and comedy is part of society. Please see diff, thank you, — Cirt (talk) 18:30, 18 February 2014 (UTC) Taboo nature[edit]Changed from "it has power because of its taboo nature" to "its taboo nature gives it power." Less clunky this way. Please see diff, thank you, — Cirt (talk) 18:35, 18 February 2014 (UTC) Removed dup "that...that..."[edit]Removed duplicate "that" and "that...", please see diff, again, less clunky this way. Cheers, — Cirt (talk) 18:36, 18 February 2014 (UTC) Hunter S. Thompson suicide[edit]I separated the sentences mentioning Hunter S. Thompson suicide from Bill Plympton animated sequences, seemed odd to have those two things together in same sentence. Please see diff, thank you, — Cirt (talk) 18:47, 18 February 2014 (UTC) Trimmed "as a resource in", to "used in university courses"[edit]Trimmed "as a resource in", to "used in university courses", as this is essentially the same thing. Please see diff, thank you, — Cirt (talk) 18:50, 18 February 2014 (UTC) |
For the benefit of anyone coming later...
[edit]As you can see from the discussion above, the blurb has been pretty extensively edited since it was scheduled. I don't agree with all the changes, but some of them are probably WP:ENGVAR issues that sound odd to me on this side of the Atlantic whereas they probably don't on the wrong other side of it. However, I don't want any of the following things to be missed by people coming here later on:
- The discussion to run the film as the TFA is at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests/Fuck (film) and I gave an extensive set of reasons there for deciding to run it. For better or for worse, that was my decision based on an extensive survey of community opinion which produced the longest TFAR discussion ever and had the highest number of people ever commenting in such a discussion.
- As part of my decision to run the article, I decided that the blurb would use the word "fuck" as few times as possible. In fact, we've been able to get it to one (the title). Please do not edit the blurb to add the word more often, because I'm trying to get a compromise here between two very different approaches. It's probably impossible to keep everyone happy, but there we go.
- This page is not the venue to complain about the decision to run the article.
- This page is not even the venue to complain about the article.
- When this blurb is on the main page, if you spot something that you think is an error in wording in the main page blurb, report it at WP:ERRORS not here.
- When the article is on the main page, if you spot something that you think oughts or needs to be changed in the article itself, then edit Fuck (film) and / or discuss the issue at Talk:Fuck (film).
Thank you. BencherliteTalk 21:17, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
- Agree with all of the above. My thanks to Bencherlite for these helpful explanations! — Cirt (talk) 21:51, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
Talk:Main Page - Today's Featured Article discussion
[edit]Permalink of Talk:Main Page discussion about Today's Featured Article, at Talk:Main Page - Today's Featured Article discussion. — Cirt (talk) 04:17, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
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