Wikipedia talk:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2007-05-28 Purgatory
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Further comments? Vassyana 18:34, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
- Agreed. Lima 19:23, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
- What are we agreeing to? These are fine suggestions, but I don't see them changing the situation enough that the page can get fixed. Are we agreeing to try these until they either work or don't work? Are we agreeing to these suggestions as the basis for the mediation, on top of which more will soon follow? Jonathan Tweet 21:28, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
- I am trying to establish "ground rules" that both of you are willing to agree upon. I would initially suggest trying the agreed set of suggestions. I may interject with an opinion or suggestion for the article, but will generally stay uninvolved, unless you and Lima believe it necessary. There is a broad range of topics at hand in this, and I feel that finding solid ground rules will at the least narrow the range of the dispute. If the agreed upon ground rules are insufficient, even if partially effective is reducing the number of issue in dispute, I will likely propose compromises and work further with the both of you to reach a consensus between you. My sincere apologies for my lack of clarity. Cheers! Vassyana 08:00, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks for the clarification. I agree with the understanding that they're a start rather than a conclusion. Jonathan Tweet 13:28, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
- I am trying to establish "ground rules" that both of you are willing to agree upon. I would initially suggest trying the agreed set of suggestions. I may interject with an opinion or suggestion for the article, but will generally stay uninvolved, unless you and Lima believe it necessary. There is a broad range of topics at hand in this, and I feel that finding solid ground rules will at the least narrow the range of the dispute. If the agreed upon ground rules are insufficient, even if partially effective is reducing the number of issue in dispute, I will likely propose compromises and work further with the both of you to reach a consensus between you. My sincere apologies for my lack of clarity. Cheers! Vassyana 08:00, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
- What are we agreeing to? These are fine suggestions, but I don't see them changing the situation enough that the page can get fixed. Are we agreeing to try these until they either work or don't work? Are we agreeing to these suggestions as the basis for the mediation, on top of which more will soon follow? Jonathan Tweet 21:28, 10 June 2007 (UTC)