Wikipedia talk:Don't call people by their real name
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Pronouns
[edit]Would it be helpful to additionally point out that editors can use another editor's preferred pronouns as set in Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-personal by using the {{pronoun}} template as follows: {{pronoun|Username}} which renders as they. There is a list of related templates at {{pronoun}} that editors may find useful. Vexations (talk) 20:04, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
- I suppose in the sense that you may know something about a user's gender identity but that user may not wish to reveal it on-wiki? Seems like a good see also, at least. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 20:37, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
- Rhododendrites, I've met people on-wiki who were unhappy that they were misgendered by others who had no unambiguous way of knowing their preference. Using those templates avoids that to some extent. I'm not aware of any other common methods to express a preference for a pronoun. Vexations (talk) 21:30, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Vexations: Certainly very important. My "in the sense" comment was about how that relates to the point I wanted to make with this essay. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 21:35, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
- Rhododendrites, as it relates to outing, certainly. I know that for many women revealing the fact that they are women (online) has exposed them to gender-based discrimination and abuse. As a way to protect themselves, they may choose a gender-neutral username. Revealing the gender of such editors against their wishes would be a form of harassment, in my opinion. Vexations (talk) 21:59, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
- It's an important point, but largely covered by WP:OUTING, isn't it? If not, perhaps a companion essay is in order that we could link to from this one. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 22:37, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
- Rhododendrites, I agree. I just mentioned it because I noticed that well-intentioned people who try to get it right often don't know that "there's a template for that". Vexations (talk) 23:17, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Vexations: What do you think of this: Wikipedia:There's no need to guess someone's preferred pronouns (please edit as you see fit if you think it's a good idea). — Rhododendrites talk \\ 01:17, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
- Rhododendrites, I agree. I just mentioned it because I noticed that well-intentioned people who try to get it right often don't know that "there's a template for that". Vexations (talk) 23:17, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
- It's an important point, but largely covered by WP:OUTING, isn't it? If not, perhaps a companion essay is in order that we could link to from this one. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 22:37, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
- Rhododendrites, as it relates to outing, certainly. I know that for many women revealing the fact that they are women (online) has exposed them to gender-based discrimination and abuse. As a way to protect themselves, they may choose a gender-neutral username. Revealing the gender of such editors against their wishes would be a form of harassment, in my opinion. Vexations (talk) 21:59, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Vexations: Certainly very important. My "in the sense" comment was about how that relates to the point I wanted to make with this essay. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 21:35, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
- Rhododendrites, I've met people on-wiki who were unhappy that they were misgendered by others who had no unambiguous way of knowing their preference. Using those templates avoids that to some extent. I'm not aware of any other common methods to express a preference for a pronoun. Vexations (talk) 21:30, 23 January 2021 (UTC)