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Call for candidates opens in 23 hours

The call for candidates phase opens in 23 hours. Feel free to make any last minute adjustments to the following relevant subpages:

Thanks! –Novem Linguae (talk) 01:18, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

What if no one signs up?

Here's a question, what do we do if no one has signed up by the end of the call for candidates period? fanfanboy (block) 13:27, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
I think we'll get some folks. I've heard some folks offwiki talking about it. In the event that we didn't, I'd make a post in the Phabricator ticket telling WMF T&S that they can skip our election, and a post on meta:SRG telling the stewards that they can skip our election, saving them both some work. It'd also make sense to not post any watchlist notices for the discussion phase and voting phase. –Novem Linguae (talk) 16:07, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
m:SN works best for contacting the stewards about this sort of thing :-) -- Ajraddatz (talk) 18:29, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
Thanks. I made a typo. I meant to say meta:SRM, since that is where we already have the thread about this. In the future, do you prefer SRM or SN for discussion of admin elections? –Novem Linguae (talk) 02:39, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
Ah! Sorry to be pedantic then, just trying to make sure everything ended up where it should. No issues with SRM or SN, SRM tends to be for more discrete / immediately actionable requests but both are monitored pretty well :-) -- Ajraddatz (talk) 20:41, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
My fears have been proven false in under 24 hours :) fanfanboy (block) 16:25, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Watchlist message wording

The watchlist message says Editors are invited to nominate themselves or others for adminship, which makes it sound like anyone is encouraged to spontaneously nominate anyone else. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 04:20, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
Maybe better: "Editors are invited to declare their candidacy, with nominators or as a self-nomination"? -- asilvering (talk) 04:29, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
I think this wording change or similar would be fine. Want to modify Wikipedia:Administrator elections/October 2024/Watchlist messages/Call for candidates so we can see what it'd look like? Then I'll probably go make the change. –Novem Linguae (talk) 04:36, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
Come to think of it, looking at the Call for candidates page, it does really look like... you just throw your hat in the ring. It's not like it outright discourages having nominators, but it doesn't really make it sound like they're generally expected or even recommended. -- asilvering (talk) 04:40, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
@Novem Linguae edited. Broke the nomination bit into a different sentence, which I think is clearer. @Thebiguglyalien, better? -- asilvering (talk) 04:44, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
I tried a different change that keeps it in one sentence.
Regarding whether or not a nomination is expected: it's part of the candidate form. Leaving it blank would be forgoing an excellent opportunity to explain why you should be selected. isaacl (talk) 04:48, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
I like yours better than mine! -- asilvering (talk) 04:50, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
That works for me :) isaacl (talk) 04:57, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
This is getting a bit long for a watchlist message. I took a stab at shortening it. That look OK? –Novem Linguae (talk) 05:12, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
To make it even shorter, , which is undergoing a one-time trial run can be removed. I like short; I just hadn't wanted to take out anything that someone might feel strongly about. isaacl (talk) 05:20, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
One time trial run seems like useful info. Will keep it in for now unless others want it out. I've updated MediaWiki:Watchlist-messages with what we have so far. –Novem Linguae (talk) 05:37, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
Actually I thought about it more and I think I like your idea better. I removed one time trial run. Thanks for the idea. –Novem Linguae (talk) 05:52, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Getting ready for "Call for Candidates"

Hello friends. The call for candidates is about a week away, on Tuesday 10/8. So let's review all the the call for candidates subpages. Feel free to make small edits, or bring big issues to the attention of the group on this talk page.

Also, the call for candidates is open for a week, so I'm not too concerned about opening it at exactly 00:00 UTC. I just plan to open it around that time. Ditto for closing, although I'll make sure not to close it before 00:00 UTC. If it's open for a few extra hours I don't think that'd be a problem.

Thank you. –Novem Linguae (talk) 20:29, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Help needed creating subpages

Hello talk page watchers. Thank you to everyone who helped with creating the MMS messages and watchlist notices. That really helps a lot. Looks like we still have 3 more subpages to create over at Wikipedia:Administrator elections/October 2024/Subpages to create (note the 3 red links). If anyone would like to take a stab at creating those, it'd be much appreciated. They don't have to be perfect. We can iterate and debate after we have drafts of everything. Thank you very much for any help! –Novem Linguae (talk) 10:18, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Just to confirm, the discussion phase is the same as RfA, just without the Support/Oppose/Neutral sections, right? fanfanboy (block) 21:34, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
It's not set in stone yet, but I think that'd be a good plan for creating the draft. I envision folks adding their name during the call for candidates, then we create RFA-like subpages, for their noms to put their statements and for the candidates to answer the 3 standard questions. Then when the discussion phase opens, folks add questions and general discussion. –Novem Linguae (talk) 21:41, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
Alright I just created a discussion template with a cutdown version of {{RfA/readyToSubmit}}. In my sandbox I also made an edited version of the {{RfA}} template to use the cutdown version (which is also in my sandbox) instead fanfanboy (block) 16:34, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
I've done some iteration on the Call for Candidate subpage. The subpage now recommends that the candidates create their own subpages, and add themselves to a list. Let me know if the changes work :) Sohom (talk) 16:33, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
Looks good to me. Getting fancy! –Novem Linguae (talk) 21:28, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
Alright, I created Wikipedia:Administrator elections/October 2024/Discussion phase, although I'm not 100% sure what it's supposed to look like, so it's pretty bare-bones for now. Cremastra (talk) 16:02, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 10 October 2024

Please add the the following Editor to the list, User:Ijzali Ijzali (talk) 00:39, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

"Does he know?" type of situation. fanfanboy (block) 00:44, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
 Not done: User has been blocked and does not meet the requirements anyways. cyberdog958Talk 00:50, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Nominations

@Fanfanboy: Please bring your edit summary here for discussion—I think it's an excellent point that should be implemented. SerialNumber54129 14:06, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Looks like the edit summary is DreamRimmer has been adding them, when noms should be adding themselves. Italicizing to hopefully make this more clear. (We should find a way to automate this). I think people forgetting to add themselves to the list then people like DreamRimmer adding them is an OK workflow. Probably no change needed here, but happy to hear other thoughts. –Novem Linguae (talk) 15:40, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
I think what he's interested in talking about is the We should find a way to automate this part. Which I'll be honest, I wouldn't even know where to start. fanfanboy (block) 15:50, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
I am okay with manually adding nominations if candidates forget to list them. But if everyone is interested in automating this process, I'd be happy to help out with my bot. – DreamRimmer (talk) 15:49, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
Probably not worth the time investment. If people like you don't do it faster than me, when the call for candidates phase closes I'll also do a check and add any who haven't been added yet. –Novem Linguae (talk) 15:53, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
We really won't need automation just for this trail. But if admin elections is implemented, then it would probably be a good idea long term. fanfanboy (block) 15:56, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
I think people might still be working on it, possible waiting for a nom statement, so would be good to allow them to add it themselves or ask first? —Femke 🐦 (talk) 16:45, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
A request for administrative privileges is only initiated when it has been transcluded to Wikipedia:Requests for adminship, so the drafting and submission of the request is on the applicant's own schedule. In a similar manner, I think it would be good for potential candidates to draft their candidate page and link to it on the Call for candidates page to indicate that they want to proceed. Thus I agree with Femke: I suggest contacting anyone who has created a page that seems ready to go and asking them what they want to do, rather than just linking it on their behalf without checking. isaacl (talk) 17:07, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
Yes, agree. I'd be pretty horrified if I had set up a page for myself, intentionally not listed it, and then come back to find someone else had done so. I don't know if that's happened yet (they may have only unintentionally not listed themselves), but the risk is there. -- asilvering (talk) 17:25, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
<pedantry>please use <em> tags to emphasize something instead of italics; these have the same visual output but the latter does some stuff for screen readers.</pedantry> Charlotte (Queen of Hearts • talk) 16:56, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
You learn something new everyday :). fanfanboy (block) 14:10, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
Seems like some folks don't want a link to the subpage before the person is ready. Would a good compromise be to list only their usernames until the discussion phase? –Novem Linguae (talk) 17:54, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
A good compromise is not to link their subpage unless the person is ready. And then give them a clear heads up/instruction that they (or their nominator) should add their subpage link before a certain date to be considered (probably simply end of candidate nom process).
You do not list RFAs on WP:RFA before the nominee is ready, and there's always the chance someone in AELECT changes their mind. It just seems proper to just not list people and handle all "unlisted created pages" at once at the end Soni (talk) 18:30, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
Personally, I don't think so. Just ask them what they want to do. There's ample buffer time between the end of nominations and the start of discussion to confirm who wants to participate in the election. isaacl (talk) 18:37, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
The buffer time is to set up SecurePoll for the elections, so this should be handled ideally before (or very quickly after) the nomination deadline. Agree that asking questions is the best way forward. —Femke 🐦 (talk) 18:42, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
Yes, the point is that the buffer time is there so the data required to be configured on the SecurePoll server can be determined and then put in place. There's no need to rush names onto the list before a potential candidate is able to add the name themselves, or respond that they are indeed interested in running. isaacl (talk) 19:02, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
OK, so what change does everyone want here? Is it being proposed to delete the list of candidates that were not self-added from Wikipedia:Administrator elections/October 2024/Call for candidates? –Novem Linguae (talk) 19:25, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
Let's ask all the candidates if they wanted to be listed. And as long as it's some set of clear instructions, it's not a big deal. (Say "Do you want to be listed yet? To be safe, in 24h, we'll remove all non-self-listed ones. And whenever you're ready, you can re-add before deadline." (Or any other similar clear instruction. Say if it's opt out. As long as candidates know what to expect or tell us).
And for future noms, we continue to give a "Here's all the things you do to be officially in elections" (Aka just listing, I think?) Maybe a mild encouragement to have nominators? I am slightly concerned the elections process was not clear enough that you can be nominated by others. Soni (talk) 19:35, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
Messaging a bunch of people and then keeping track of their responses doesn't seem very efficient. Instead I've decided to remove them and ping them in the edit summary to re-add themselves when ready, and change the rules that you can only add yourself. Diff 1. Diff 2. I hope this resolves the concerns in this talk page section. If not let's discuss further. –Novem Linguae (talk) 20:03, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
Thank you. This is a better solution. I am happy with this Soni (talk) 07:17, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
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